FBI Uses Chainsaw In Raid On Wrong Fitchburg Apartment

By Jim Armstrong, WBZ-TV

FITCHBURG (CBS) – It’s going to be a while before things get back to normal for Judy Sanchez and her three-year-old daughter.

Last Thursday, a team of FBI agents swarmed her apartment building as part of a massive citywide drug and weapons gang raid.

Trouble is, Sanchez lives in apartment 2R.

The suspect they were after is in 2F.

At 6:04 last Thursday morning, just before Sanchez’ alarm was set to go off, she heard a pounding outside her second floor apartment.

WBZ-TV’s Jim Armstrong reports

“I just happened to glance over and saw this huge chainsaw ripping down the side of my door,” she explains. “And I was freaking out. I didn’t know what was going on.”

Within moments, the chainsaw had cut through most of her door, and someone on the FBI’s arrest team kicked the rest of it in.

“That’s when I heard the clicking of a gun and I heard ‘FBI, get down!’, so I laid right on down.

And they said get your dog, so I got her and at the same time I am laying in her urine because she did pee on herself at the same time.”

That dog is the family’s three-month-old pit bull puppy.

Sanchez says they left her on the floor for 35 minutes, with her daughter screaming for her mommy in the other room.

“I was told not to move, so I didn’t move,” she tells WBZ, out of fear that she’d be shot.

Eventually the feds figured out they were in the wrong spot and they arrested the suspect they were after in the next door apartment.

Sanchez can’t believe that a two-year long federal investigation ended at the wrong door.

“The looks on their faces when they knew they got the wrong door was priceless,” she recalls. “They looked at each other dumbfounded.”

Sanchez says another agent came by later that day to offer an apology, but it was one that Sanchez felt wasn’t quite genuine.

“For me it felt routine apology, it felt like just a regular, ‘I’m sorry for the inconvenience. Here’s the phone number for your landlord to get reimbursed for the door, have a good day.’

And that’s how I felt, like it was a smack in the face.”

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  • Jessica

    WOW! Almost the same thing happened to me on that same day! No chainsaw..but, around 9:30 that same morning I was scared to death by pounding on my door, and the other doors in my apt building. I thought I was about to die or something. They pounded so hard, my LOCKED door swung open. Looking for someone who did not live in my building. I tried to tell them this..but it did not matter, they didn’t believe me and a team of about 8 swarmed through all the rooms in my apartment. I did not receive any apologies. I guess since they didn’t use a chainsaw.. they really need to get their info straight before they go ripping through innocent peoples lives. It’s terrifying.

    • Rita Marie Wagner

      Without a search warrant?

    • Mark Twain

      This was likely a secret TSA training exercise. They’re probably working on merging the 2 agencies now, and the ones with IQ’s lower than their height in inches, start out training on this “Fail Team Zero”.

    • Blaine Jeffreys

      “1984” was written by George Orwell, idiot.

    • BlasterFudd357

      Oops…My bad! Morons!! and these guy care SERIOUS WEAPONS!!
      If you were a homeowner It would be in serious litigation.(and you would win!)
      …and pick out a REALLY NICE new door!

    • Lars

      Atleast this time someone didnt trip or stumble like the Framingham SWAT and shoot an innocent person and just say Whoops it was an accident OH Well..sucks to be you..

    • keven beeken


      this is the war on drugs shear stupidity but this is what the American people deserve for letting this war against everyday Americans get started and for letting it continue end the war on drugs and lets do harm reduction.

      • Fernao de Magalhaes

        @keven: You are right. the so-called war on drugs is not a “War on Drugs” per se. It is all about government taking more control and power over the citizenry.

    • Barb

      GEORGE ORWELL!!!! Gzeesh.

    • Jason

      Beazr, aside from your foolish suggested solution, it is also obvious you are ignorant about firearms and terminal ballistics.

    • cuspid

      Yes, it’s orwell.
      And hollow “tips” will not go through ANY vest.
      You show an astounding amount of ignorance; if your really do own a firearm, and not just spouting off on mommy’s keyboard then get some training.

      • George Grape

        Hollow point ammo that is cast out of tin will travel 50% faster and go through both sides of class 3a body armor! So you should qualify your answers. Such as “And LEAD hollow “tips” will not go through ANY vest.”

      • cuspid

        “Hollow point ammo that is cast out of tin will travel 50% faster and go through both sides of class 3a body armor! ”

        Really? Both sides, even?


        And there are other vests than just level IIIa; the guy said ANY vest.

      • Mark Matis

        And not even lead hollow points have a problem if you shoot them in the face. Groin works well too. Not much armor there. And it gives their pig buddies something to think about.

    • Jon

      Yeah, right. Good luck with those “hollow tips” more appropriately referred to as, “hollow points.” You really don’t get out much do you?

      • zombierocket

        Good, get lost in the minutia…

    • Mike Cann

      Jessica, I’d also be interested in speaking to your for our radio show. email me at michaelc_100@hotmail dot com or hit me up on facebook.com/mikecann

    • Publius

      Did they show you a warrant?

      • Robert Brooks

        Funny @Dave D

      • Dave_D

        I believe that it said “Husqvarna” on it

    • whodat1

      I actually keep my guns loaded for the opposite reason. I don’t want the rounds to over penetrate and hit something behind the target.

      Oh, and 1984 was required reading when I went to school. At the time we thought it was fiction.

    • Mitch

      Typical law enforcement thuggery. The use of no knock warrants by these people should not be allowed. There is no punishment for the individual officer or officers that violate your rights and they do not care how badly they terrorize you or your children. The laws need to be changed so that individual officers and their departments can be sued in civil court and prosecuted in criminal court.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        The constitution bars exactly this brand of thuggery. 7th Ammendment guarantees us trial by COMMON LAW. This is the totality of common law, encroach on no man nor his property and meet your agreements. The constitution also limits the powers of the fed gov to what is described in the constitution. Anything more the government wants to do, they must make a constitutional amendment. Which they never do, they just ignore it because people don’t know it well enough to use it to protect themselves in court. So, really, no “NEW LAWS” are necessary. We just need the whole society on the same page with the old laws AND we need to toss out all these criminal judges and politicians and ORGANIZE, town hall meeting, bar Federal Interdiction in your town regarding anything the constitution didn’t give power to the fed gov.

      • Joe Johnson

        Exactly! What if the resident had a gun in hand? Or even a baseball bat or a kitchen knife? Gunned down…..

      • Bill

        In a police state, it’s ok if the cops kill you.

    • Ozlanthos

      They do an average of 50 such raids every day! You’d be AMAZED at how many times they get it wrong! This lady is just lucky that they didn’t follow normal operating procedure. Otherwise her dog would have been shot “just because”.


    • Karl

      Blaine, no need for mean comments. It only reflects poorly on you.

    • MDKing

      Welcome to the Police State, Thank a Dem/Communist for this, ya I know Bush started it all, but under this Adminastration, it has gone beyond anything Bush could have thought of….

      • fedupmojo

        You do realize that Nixon and Reagan (Republicans) were two of the biggest drug warrior presidents EVER, right?

      • Fred W

        Dems or Pubs don’t matter – they all do the same things, despite differing words.

        The state is utterly out of control.

      • Amanda

        Is this the first time you have read about such a story, MDKing? This has been happening for years, throughout many presidential administrations of both parties. Don’t be so naive. The shocking thing about this incident is just how “unshocking” it is. Don’t believe the propaganda and attribute this type of behavior to a president because his social and economic policies are slightly different from some other president to the “left” or “right” of him. The problem is a lack of respect for human life and dignity and a 40 year old war on drugs (started by a Republica, albeit a Republican far more liberal than our current center right presiden) that has destroyed countless lives.

      • bigtoe1111

        reagan, clinton, and obama are all puppets of the bush cartel. reagan was an actor. clinton had over 75 people killed during his political and presidential conquests. obama is the first black man. the fact that he is black is a diversion. who was deputy director of the CIA when kennedy was killed? GHW Bush. there were no western or european owned oil wells in or off the coast of vietnam before 1960. the bush’s aren’t nazi, they’re Thule.

    • Spirit of 1776

      The time has come to organize a community defense against violent, murderous government agents.

      These SOBs are literally out of control, do not consider us even to be human beings, let alone the CITIZENS who PAY THEIR DAMNED SALARIES.

      They treat us with contempt and callous disregard for our lives, our fortunes and to hell with or “sacred honor”.

      No, fellow cowering citizens, the time has come to organize and defend ourselves against criminal gangs operating under color of law — law that increasingly is used to protect themselves from even the most basic accountability.

      • ftnwo

        you are 100% correct. it is time for us to begin organizing well trained forces around this nation, and where possible, have them recognized by the county sheriff, to protect and defend citizens against these nazi’s.

    • http://deanred.wordpress.com deanreddington

      Jessica if you would like to share more of your story please send an email to newstips@wbztv.com

      • RJ O'Guillory

        ,..I suggest we form a legal “Peoples” Grand Jury. I suggest we try and convict everyone of them as “traitors”, and based upon legal conviction,… I suggest we start shooting them dead ……either as they are exercising their “dynamic entry” or immediately after the trial that convicts them,..then I suggest we find out who their kids are, who their parents are, and where their family lives /worship….take their fortunes…..

        arrest of them,…and subject them to them same kind of “criminal justice system” that they attempt to apply to us,…….then,.after conviction…kill them,…..execute them all for treason ….especially the The criminal Bush and Clinton families
        ….Hilary, Chelsea, Bill…all of them,..arrest, conviction and death penalty,
        …perhaps accomplished in the same day.

        The U.S. of Hollow

        Junior demons litter the culture,
        sucking up all that’s left.
        The Elder knew how to pick em’
        The Boy claimed no such heft.
        Picked apart and long picked over,
        our bird of Giving Thanks.
        America, finally laid to rest,
        by her own traitorous Yanks.
        Liberty & Freedom,
        need no such plan to follow.
        Bleeding slowly across our land,
        The United States of Hollow.

        RJ O’Guillory /Author/ Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family

      • JackR

        To Bukkiah: A policeman was shot and killed several years ago by a man whose home they incorrectly entered. Of course, they tried him but the jury found him not guilty. But that didn’t pay him back for the incredible attorneys fees, did it.

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Um, that’d be George Orwell.

    • Italo

      Imagine if it were an elderly person, or somebody who had just come home recuperating from major surgery, forced to lay down on their stomachs on the stitches or if they were hooked up to a colostomy bag or something — they could become seriously or permanently hurt. Pretty scary stuff.

      • 海賊王 ライアン

        Umm… If somebody tried to come in with a chainsaw (as mentioned, this isn’t standard) They’d get at least 5 rounds of 7.62x54r rounds… and I know body armor can’t stop those. They would not be having a good day.

      • eternalgreenknight

        Nagants hold 5 plus one… though pulling back on that safety is a pain in the butt! Love Nagants!

      • Pauli Gela

        Exercising your Unalienable rights. A true American.

      • fntsmk

        Would’ve been a bunch of dead FBI agents had they did that to my house. I see a chain saw coming through my door??? I’m shooting first and asking questions later. Only problem is, once you kill one of those idiots, even in self-defense, they’re not going to stop until you’re dead. Be that as it may, I’ll go down fighting.

      • rally2xs

        Yep, 12 guage with bird shot at my place. It would have been coming thru the door.

      • BillYBoy

        You would think the FBI would know an R from an F. After all, they spell their name with just three letters. Perhaps they write RBI or F8I by mistake from time to time, better get those smart agents back to primary school for some LEARNIN’.

      • Robert Brooks

        Or imagine if the poor dog, who normally react to threats attacked the door and was killed or injured by the chain saw jerkoff. They are treating a drug offender like a dangerous mass murderer.

        Idiots; all of them.!

      • Pauli Gela

        They are from the government. They are here to help us.

      • Bukkiah Golden

        This was my sentiments exactly. Once unannounced violence (since I can’t “FBI” over chainsaw “WRRRRRR”) enters my home, violence springs from my home. “Fear of my life already has triggered”, the door is no barrier to that danger, so I cannot wait for its removal or actual entry, I am already engaged.

        The whole no-knock warrant action strikes me as completely unconstitutional if considered in concert with the Second Amendment. I am just shocked that a policeman has not yet been shot by a surprised lawful gun owner in one of these “Wrong address” situations.

        Clearly the police are not doing their jobs if they cannot confirm their targets before engagement. This is within the strict warrant regime (search warrant / arrest warrant / judges involvement). Can you believe these organizations think they need a FASTER, more express path for warrant approval. Looks like they need MORE diligence and rigor to me.

      • David Chesler

        See Radley Balko’s The Agitator on this. Plenty of cops and non-cops get killed this way (see for instance Cory Maye.)
        As Balko points out, if they’re going for the element of surprise because the stoners or poker players might be armed, wouldn’t the chainsaw have tipped off the bad guys? Meanwhile, if they do this pre-dawn with dynamic entry, should they be surprised that the occupants can’t determine if the guys breaking down their door are good guys or bad guys or bad guys claiming to be good guys?
        That’s why we have doorbells. At least they didn’t shoot the dog, which is SOP, even if it was not a “pit bull”.

      • Concerned Citizen

        Uh you idiots suggesting shooting at the chain saw would be shot dead by the feds who would give themselves all pats on the back and a congratulatory circle jerk afterword. They wouldn’t even feel remorse. You are a citizen and they are the FBI you are to submit to their demands.

      • eternalgreenknight

        Citizen, not subject. There is a difference!

      • JROCK

        No… I wouldnt be shot dead. Some of us are HIGHLY trained, former Military, and Police. I PROMISE you not one man would make it into my house alive, I would be just fine, and we would eventually sort it all out. It will only take this scenario happening ONCE, and things will change. They just havent kicked in the “wrong” door yet.

      • ognywogny

        @JROCK-You would most certainly be shot dead and I don’t give a damn about your Marine training. The first shot you fire at a Febbie and they will swarm you until you are quite dead. John Wayne idiot!

      • HMichaelH

        Old and In the Way…… is lucky he didn’t do what he claims he would have done, because he wouldn’t be around to write his comment today. Same goes for Ed and JROCK. As big a bunch of idiots this FBI Team must be, they still would have shown up with massive fire power. Your little weapons and false bravado would probably have gotten you killed.

      • James

        What if it was a person who had a gun to defend his home???

      • Steve

        They would be dead!!!

      • Larry D Bentley Jr

        Ummm, I’m with the guy with the gun. The dangerous part about you “they are the FBI you must submit” people is that you are going to assume that every person that enters your house is going to be a government agent. Perhaps it’s from the lessons I learned in life but using a chainsaw to breach a room is not standard operating procedure.

        If someone, anyone, does this to me then 8 +P 200 gr .45acp rounds are going THROUGH the door into whomever is wielding said chansaw. Whether it be some government agency, Jason Voorhees, or God himself. This is a threatening action and I would be JUSTIFIED in reacting to such actions with force. But i’m not going to roll over for some chance that it might be the gubment.

      • d_red1

        Do understand what happens when a citizen tries to defend his family and himself against unknown intruders (ie, no knock warrant swat team) everybody needs to Google “Jose Guerena”

        Cliff note version:
        Feds no knock wrong address and set off flash bangs.
        Former marine and Iraq war veteran tell his wife to get son and hide in bedroom.
        Jose grabs rifle to protect family.
        Police fire 71 rounds at Jose who didn’t even have the chance to remove safety
        Jose allowed to bleed out for an hour an dies before area was declared safe.
        All officers cleared of any wrong doing.
        Move along…nothing to see here. Dead men have no rights. End of story.

      • Sick of it all

        To those that think a homeowner with a gun would not shoot a Fed, a lady near Pittsburgh, PA shot and killed an FBI criminal that breached her home looking for… you got it, drugs. That’s ironic because the CIA, FBI, and cops are the facilitators of the drug black market. Well, not ironic. It just shows how seriously they hate competition. Unfortunately, the jurors did not understand the US Constitution nor the criminality and tyranny that is the FBI and the rest of the jack boots out of the District of Criminals; she was convicted.
        Oh, and the rest of the FBI swarm that others have posted about did not shoot her dead. No knock cops should be met with a proper response.

      • Old and In the Way

        Imagine if that had been my house! I would have put five rounds from my S&W 38 through the door without even thinking about it as the chainsaw touched my door. Then I would have grabbed my Garrand and sent eight more 30.06 rounds their way.
        They better get the address right in my neighborhood.

      • ed

        That’s right, since no one uses a chainsaw to break down a door. I would have put several 12ga slugs into them.

      • Paul Rain

        The lesson to learn from Jose Guerena- when black-clad attackers enter your home unannounced, don’t be caught short with a firearm on safety that hasn’t been brought to bear on the intruders. Resist the threat.

      • Jon Weiss

        For all of the “I’d shoot ’em” types here, you would most surely be killed in such a scenario, but there would be two after effects of your death.

        One, there would be more publicity and attention turned against the LEO’s for attacking innocent citizens, and on the next bust (if you were to kill an officer) the first guy through the door would be a lot more hesitant about charging in.

        One thing that the FBI seems to miss on this whole equation is the effect it has on the public.

        A while back I called the White House Comment Line, and stated for the President, that “If politicians were to act as he has, in disregarding the Constitution and selectively ignoring the laws such as the DOMA (which Obama has stated plainly he will not enforce) and the immigration laws which Obama has ignored, that back in the 1700’s they would be taken out and tarred and feathered, as many were back then.”

        Somehow this translated (in the mind of the low IQ “burger flipper” answering the phone), into a threat against Obama’s life. Four hours later I had a Secret Service Agent, an FBI agent and two uniformed local police officers at my front door demanding answers. I politely invited them in for coffee and answered all of their questions. I was cautioned by the Secret Service agent to “Watch what you say in the future.”

        Since I did nothing illegal in my actions but the Obama Administration still felt the need to send an intimidation team to my home, they have lost all confidence from this Career Army Veteran.

        Should law enforcement need my help in the future, while I will not stand in their way in any manner, I will chose to invoke my right under the 5th Amendment to remain silent. Should I ever witness a crime in my town. Even if I see a perpetrator, commit a crime, it will be a very cold day in hell before I come forward to give any evidence to aid law enforcement in anything. I would tell them the truth if they ask, but volunteering information??? Forget it.

        The next time a cop asks Mrs. Sanchez “did you see anything?” after a crime is committed in her neighborhood, I have to wonder how willing will she be to step forward and give evidence to the very same people who cut down her door and left her child screaming for 35 minutes while she was forced to lay on the floor?

      • DieHardPatriot

        I read the article above but did not see mentioned anywhere that the FBI announced themselves. If it had been me and they hadn’t announced “FBI..open the door” I would have cut loose with my 20 Gauge that is loaded with 00buckshot and door busters. Chainsaw indeed…a door ram would have taken far less time. Yeah FBI…Federal Bureau of IDIOTS!

      • charlie b

        Yes, you would have taken down a few of these idiots, but there are 10 idiots waiting in line to take each idiots place. If they didn’t kill you as well, you would be locked up forever for killing federal agents. If more people would do what you say they might stop doing this, but I doubt it will happen.

      • Artie

        @Concerned Citizen: They are not capable of remorse one way or another.
        Disgusting thugs, worthless scum of the Earth. Both them and those who are cheering for the gangsters.

    • josh

      beazr btw “Hollow tips” i assume you mean hollow points are a type of round engineered to cause massive tissue damage through expansion of the round on impact. A hollow point round will NOT go through a standard issue reinforced kevlar vest. The round will impact and expand extinguishing its energy before breaching the vest. To get through a kevlar vest, concrete wall, or hardened metal thicker than .25 inches you need ballistic tipped, armor piercing, or depleted rounds. If you are going to handle firearms please bother to educate yourself beforehand.

      • Jon Weiss


        Hollow point rounds do indeed expand upon impact with solid targets, and cause massive trauma with little actual penetration.

        But your assertion that breaching Kevlar requires “ballistic tipped, armor piercing, or depleted rounds” isn’t quite accurate either.

        “DU” or Depleted Uranium rounds are not used in small arms ammunition, in fact the smallest round containing this material is 25mm used in the gun on the Marines LAV 25 and the Army’s M2/3 Bradley Fighting vehicle and Stryker troop carrier. A round of that size will penetrate a standard issue vest even using “TPT” (Target Practice Tracer) rounds made of cast aluminum, in fact the TBT round hits with such power it will obliterate the wearer and the vest with a single round. Other rounds using “DU” are the 105mm and 120mm Tank Main Gun rounds fired from the Stryker AGS and the M1 series Main Battle Tank.

        “Ballistic Tipped” is something of a misnomer since it has more to do with bullet designs for accuracy than penetration. There are a variety of ballistic tipped rounds that vary from simple bullet shape modifications, to discarding sabot designs that actually strip away part of the projectile in order to make it more aerodynamic.

        Armor piercing rounds are generally made of lead with copper ally jackets just like standard ball rounds but incorporate a tungsten steel tip, which is harder but lighter than lead, the combinations of the two metals gives the bullet the toughness to penetrate the target, with the momentum to drive the steel tip through the target.

        As for your comparison of the rounds regarding penetration…it is more dependent on the cartridge casing than the bullet since, for example a .308 (30 caliber) projectile fired from a 7.62 NATO cartridge (aka .308 Winchester) will not penetrate as much material as an M1 U.S. Cartridge .30 Caliber (aka 30.06) because the 7.62 NATO round has less propellant charge to push it than does the M1 U.S. Cart. .30 Cal.

    • ed

      Sorry Bud, hollow points are for knock down power. they don’t go through vest. You would need teflon coated rounds or 12ga steel sabots for a shotgun. They will go through an engine block.

      • Fred W

        “Sorry Bud, hollow points are for knock down power…..”

        He’s probably an FBI troll, looking to incite someone. That’s how they get terror arrests now days.

      • George Grape

        An unlawful arrest/action by police is an assault like any other and can be resisted like any other assault. This is common sense and the USSC has ruled that DEADLY FORCE is reasonable in these circumstances.
        If this happens at my house I have a SAIGA 12 (AKA an AK47 12 gauge shotgun with a 20 round drum) for these thugs who won’t be leaving the same way they arrived!

    • Duncan jones

      Welcome to the New World Order.

      We have no police civility, no rights, and thugs for law enforcement.

      Soon law enforcement shooting first will be the government mantra and they will get away with it.

      The coward State Attorney in the prosecutors office in Orange County Florida will not even arrest the thugs employed by Newt to break the foot of a Ron Paul supporter just for fun.

      I suggest the system’s thugs beware of the BELL for soon it will toll for all of them.

    • Random

      • Castle doctrine. If they do not announce who they area. Defend your home. If a chain saw is coming through the door, an implement of the intruder has entered your home and legally the intruder as well. There is an old saying of the Knights of old. Give the transgressor an Indian answer (if you don’t know it look it up.).
      • Question 1: If it was before 08:00 hrs, did they have a no knock warrant.
      • Question 1: If they did have a no knock warrant, who was the idiot with a chain saw standing behind the kill zone (the door that people shoot through).

      • Robert

        they had a no-knock warrant for another apartment, that means they had NO warrant for the apartment they did enter.

    • Random

      • Castle doctrine. If they do not announce who they area. Defend your home. If a chain saw is coming through the door, an implement of the intruder has entered your home and legally the intruder as well. There is an old saying of the Knights of old. Give the transgressor an Indian answer (if you don’t know it look it up.).
      • Question 1: If it was before 08:00 hrs, did they have a no knock warrant.
      • Question 1: If they did have a no knock warrant, who was the idiot with a chain saw standing behind the kill zone (the door that people shoot through).
      Sorry for spelling/grammer errors

  • Robert

    Sorry that happened Jessica but if they got even one gun or better yet, one illegal alien it most likely saved at least one life down the road. Fitchburg is infested. These guys are putting their lives on the line to protect us from the rodents.

    Again I am sorry it happened to you but if it was my neighbor dealing drugs, guns or living off the American tax payers dollars I’d be oK if they smashed down my door on accident as long they they got them.

    • george washington

      The FBI and DEA are criminals in todays USA.

    • Jack W

      So you wake up and find someone chainsawing their way through your front door. You have no idea who it is. And you would be just fine with it, standing there waiting, wondering “gee, maybe it’s Santa Claus?”

      We grant law enforcement formidable powers. Those powers come with formidable responsibilities. If they break into the wrong house, they – and they only – are responsible for the consequences, regardless of what those consequences might be. If the home owner thinks he is the target of a home invasion and starts shooting back, because the officers did not announce themselves as law enforcement, and if someone gets killed in the exchange of fire, then the commanding officer should have to bear the full responsibility.

      I used to be a rescue worker. We were told that the right to use sirens and emergency lights grants us the right to break traffic laws, but it also means that you as a driver would be fully accountable for any consequences. It’s the same thing here.

      • Kurt

        This is a classic situation where a Bivens suit against the government to vindicate 4th amendment rights would be available. This is like a 42 USC Section 1983 action, but those only apply to hold the states accountable. Bivens actions hold the federal government accountable in this kind of situation.

      • Dave

        An excellent post, sir.

        I shudder to think what would have happened to me if they’d done that to my door. I’m armed. I don’t like people using chainsaws to come through my door. I’m an excellent shot.

        An LEO would be dead, and likely, so would I. Or drugs would have shown up in my home to “justify” the raid. Or someone would have said they announced they were LEOs.

    • Bob Dee

      Robert your a whimp!

    • nina

      SWAT Teams should NOT be Allowed in America period!! This is typical of Nazi Germany under Hitler!!! Well they didn’t get them at least not that day and before making such a comment think about what is WRONG with this picture, better yet read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    • RLABruce

      Have you seen any reduction in drugs, guns or living off tax dollars? You traded some more freedom for promises of security, and you don’t even get the security!

    • Sven

      robert, are you kidding? No one I mean no one deserves these jack booted thugs kicking there door in. Let us turn the table a bit. It was your house and they accidently shot your wife/kid. Now what song are you going to sing???

    • JT

      you are a freaking moron! she could have been shot – there is zero excuse for this kind of error and some people should be fired.

      • Memem

        Not that racebaiting Holder POS.

    • USArmyCombatMedic

      It seems they didn’t knock or announce their presence until they after they entered. What if an otherwise-law abiding citizen felt he was being threatened (wouldn’t you feel threatened if someone was chain-sawing their way through your front door), and chose to fire a legally registered firearm at the agents?

      If I was in that situation, and someone was sawing their way through my door (without having announced being a law enforcement agent), I would absolutely fire a single shot from my shotgun the second they step through the threshold to my home. According to the laws of my state,

      “198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or
      great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to
      have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great
      bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
      force is used against another person, not a member of the family or
      household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and
      forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or
      had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
      As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant
      or substantial physical injury.”

      Agents need to be more careful when entering private residences. I understand they need to apprehend criminals. But if they announce their presence, and a person still fires a weapon, then blow the perp’s head off. Fair game.

      • Tim

        I agree whole heartedly. However, the realities of such an action would have left her dead. Let’s make an assumption that the LEOs didn’t announce themselves. Even then there were more than one. In that situation, they would be wearing protective vests and would more than likely enter with side arms drawn. The home owner opens fire in this scenario sinc she doesn’t know who is coming in. She might get one but the other LEOs will automatically return fire since they perceive a deadly threat as well. Result: at worst one cop dead but more than likey just wounded while one mother dead and one orphaned child.

        However egregious the event was, her lack of response saved her life.

    • krp

      Gubment employees.

      • Dave

        We’re not all like that. Some of us can read numbers and addresses and such…when we’re not sleeping at our desks.

    • John G

      “I’d be oK if they smashed down my door on accident as long they they got them.”

      You are an idiot, a lemming, and not fit to enjoy the liberty that this Country supposedly provides you. Comments like yours are what will lead us to a fascist regime where police officers (local and federal) are paramilitary storm troopers instead of citizens who are a part of the community they are supposed to be working for.

      • noneofyourbusiness

        I agree with you John G. I do not want any law enforcement forcing their way through my door for any reason. Last I checked, they should be knocking on the door, identhfing themselves, and presenting a search warrant. If I woke to the sound of a chain saw sawing through my door at 6:10 in the morning and I lived in a drug infested neighborhood, they would be met immediately with flying lead.

    • Catherine

      Robert, that is one lane @$$ comment to make to someone who was domestically terrified by our government! Rather a drug dealer live another day than have my life and those of my family members put at risk by uniformed thugs with a license to kill.

    • hammerhead

      Yeah it’s far better to kick in the wrong door and violate peoples rights.. BU LL SH IT!!!

    • john

      You’re full of $hit, Robert.

    • Mark Matis

      Better to blow their heads off for spitting on their oath to the Constitution. EVERY ONE OF THESE maggots. And take out their families as well, using their OWN rules of engagement. A cocktail through their bedroom window in the middle of the night sounds just about right…

    • George N. Weezie

      And there in lies the problem in our once great nation. Prior to 1914, none of these things were illegal and as a consequence there were no such things as “no-knock warrants” and “forced entries” and violence was uncommon. Now they are commonplace and many people see nothing wrong with these outlandish acts of police violence. Don’t worry though, as there is lots more to come with laws and executive orders like the patriot act, NDAA, and PDD51 just as examples.

      • Bob Dee

        I’m with Cuspid on this.

      • NM

        tsalnew: you are a despicable coward. If you need a nanny state to protect you, GTFO to Europe, you’re neither needed not wanted here!

      • Mergoniac Frumffernin

        She should be happy, they usually shoot the dog too.

      • Mark

        I Agree George, funny how not so long ago if this story came from the Soviet Union, China or a old article about Nazi Germany, all the comments would be Glad I Live in a FREE America. Remember what Benjamin Franklin said, “He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”

      • tsalnew

        oh look – school is out and the kiddies are on their computers.

        One observation – I am not the one complaining about this country – those who are telling me to leave are. If you are complaining, it stands to logic you would be the one to find a place to move to. No, wait, that’s logic and none of you know the definition.

        Carry on children! If nothing else you are amusing – painfully sad but amusing nonetheless.

      • RJ O'Guillory


        …as an American,..(I presume),…you have an inherent right to be stupid, and to act like an idiot who never listened in civics class,….so good luck with your love of this corrupt government when the value of your dollar falls to half, and you cannot afford to heat your home,feed your family,..or complain about it without ending up in a FEMA Camp,…..however,..if you had some world-experience, and have had to interact with the traitorous class that runs our government,…you’d understand what your kids are going to have to live in and under,…and I hope when that day arrives for your sorry-ass,…I hope you look in the mirror, at the coward you’ve become,..and I hope you choke on your idiocy,…


        RJ O’Guillory
        Webster groves-The Life of an Insane Family

      • Hal McCombs

        Well, alrighty then. Why don’t we just get rid of warrants? Obviously the police never screw up.


      • tsalnew

        RJ – it is refreshing to see you acknowledge that insanity is part of your family.

        Let’s see. I said that this raid was a horrible thing. I said that I felt terrible for the mother and especially her child. I also said that every family in this country deserves to live in a safe area where they can go outside without the fear of being murdered or attacked by gangs or have their children confronted by drug dealers.

        You disagree with that. I wonder who is the idiot.

        Although – other than now acknowledging that there is clearly insanity and idiocy running wild on this blog – I have attempted to show respect where none has been shown by anyone here for a person who happens to have a view that is different from yours. Keep on with your theory that you have all of the answers and that you are somehow better than all else. That is the country I see and the mind set that makes me sick.

      • tsalnew

        an accurate term does not make it respectful……………..

      • cuspid

        “an accurate term does not make it respectful…”

        I’m terribly sorry, I just didn’t see where your statist anti-freedom comments merited respect. I will have to reread them.

        I stand by my proclamation.

        May your chains rest lightly upon you, bro.

      • tsalnew

        @cuspid. We could have this discussion all day. First, dribble is stuff that drains from your mouth – drool. Please do allow me to use the words I chose. Second, you have a valid opinion. There is a lot of what you say that I agree with. Because I do not share parts of your opinion, does not mean I do not respect it or your right to have it. Third, I also have a valid opinion. However, you do not respect my right to have it and are insulting. If you honestly believe using the term idiot in any form is not insulting, then perhaps you need to step back and think a bit harder about it. Would you use the term face-to-face, or do you feel being anonymous empowers you? If you chose the former, you are not a person I would ever associate with to begin with. However, I suspect the latter is the better choice.

        For one, I choose not to spend my time discussing anything with a person who believes only his way is the right way and who shows no respect for others.

      • tsalnew

        cuspid 2:39 – and you have proven my point – “you just didn’t see….” One thing in your favor is you do not disappoint.

      • cuspid

        “in my humble opinion, anyone who resorts to name calling does so simply because he has nothing important to say so fills his comments with dribble.”

        Yes, tsa, I’m sure you meant my comments were filed with saliva. I mistakenly thought you meant my comments “nonsense” that I was commenting “stupidly or carelessly” i.e. drivel.

        My mistake.

      • TJ

        tsalnew – Please shoot yourself. You are a moron. The Patriot Act is the most un-patrotic thing in history, well until the NDAA was swiftly signed by the Constitutional lawyer straw man that resides in the white house for the next twelve months.

      • Ltpar

        George, if it was you having to be first one through the door of an armed drug dealers house, you might think otherwise. Stop your whining.

      • Barbie

        I’d hardly call a single mother cowering on the floor in dog urine while her terrified child screams in the next room an improvement. (Reply to tsalnew)

      • Bob Dee

        tsa, Maybe Cuspid meant Ignoramus. surley that’s not insulting. is it?

      • tsalnew

        I agree. It is far better to let Fitchburg continue with the gangs and drugs and rapes and thefts than it is to spend the money to attempt to bring it back to a place where its citizens can expect to live in peace and allow their children to play on the street. While we are at it – abolish the patriot act and just open the doors for the terrorists.

      • cuspid

        “While we are at it – abolish the patriot act and just open the doors for the terrorists.”

        Yes, please do abolish the patriot act. And abolishing the act and “opening the door” for evil terrrrists are not synonymous.
        Useful idiots like you are the very reason we are turning into a police state.

      • tsalnew

        Cuspid, try living in a country where terrorism is an every day occurrence. American do not have a clue what terrorism really means. As I said above, it’s a pleasure to meet someone who feels his opinion is the only answer and that calling those who do not share that opinion is acceptable. Or……………..in my humble opinion, anyone who resorts to name calling does so simply because he has nothing important to say so fills his comments with dribble.

      • cuspid

        It’s drivel, btw.
        Someone cutting down your door with a chainsaw and drawing down on you when your are innocent is terrifying.

        And do tell, how can the patriot act stop any terrrorsts when are border is wide open? The laws are to control US citizens, not people a half world away growing plants and herding goats.

        And google useful idiot before you accuse me of name calling – it is a real term, that really is accurate for your comments. :)

      • cuspid

        “our” border.

      • cuspid

        “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
        the tranquility of servitude
        better than the animating contest of freedom,
        go home from us in peace.
        We ask not your counsels or your arms.
        Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
        May your chains set lightly upon you,
        and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

      • cuspid

        “Cuspid, try living in a country where terrorism is an every day occurrence.”

        I do:


      • cuspid

        I said that this raid was a horrible thing. I said that I felt terrible for the mother and especially her child.”

        That’s very big of you. However you blithely accept it as the cost of doing business. Your feelings are irrelevant to fixing the situation. People are still being killed and terrorized by our own gov’t. But thank goodness you “feel terrible”. I’m sure that will help.

        “tsalnew I also said that every family in this country deserves to live in a safe area where they can go outside without the fear of being murdered or attacked by gangs or have their children confronted by drug dealers.”

        Could you please tell me which part of the Constitution authorizes armed military teams to kick in the doors of US citizens and terrorize and kill them and their pets?

    • nigmalg


      The attitude you’re taking is what’s wrong with this country. If people stopped encouraging incompetence we wouldn’t be in the shape we’re in. How about instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water, we prosecute people who commit crimes against people instead?

      Smoke weed, no problem. Steal from someone to buy weed, go to jail.

      That makes sense.

      • Random

        Does this mean that we can use Robert as a slave? If so, I call dibs!

    • Lee Gregory

      “or better yet, one illegal alien it most likely saved at least one life down the road”

      Yes, because all illegal immigrants are killers. moron.

    • Kyle

      Lucky they didn’t do that to my home. I likely would have put a bullet into the officer before he managed to bash through the door. I am a 36 year old computer professional with a degree (for all those who might think I am some crazy criminal). No, I would not be OK, and these ‘mistakes’ cannot happen, period. They are getting a bit too big for their britches.

    • Larry


      This is going to hard for you to grasp but what you suggest as a proper policy is more consistent with the NKVD or Gestapo. The role of government is not to protect us from what MIGHT happen. Breaking an innocent persons door down and forcing to the floor is a greater crime when perpetrated by government than by a common criminal. This sort of thing is intolerable.

      The people must be secure in their homes, It is our responsibility to protect ourselves and our duty to protect liberty from government.

      I know you have been taught to believe that government and only government can protect you but by accepting that proposition as truth you become willing to cede your freedom to the government in exchange for protection that it can and will not actually provide you with. In the end your concept of conceding an increment of freedom for safety will always result in tyranny and oppression.

      Please try to find an objective person who understands the concepts of individual liberty and the roles and responsibilities of the citizen in a republic and discuss your beliefs with them.

      Best Regards

    • Markangelo

      Dont these cops work for the government that everybody hates !!
      If you hate the government; why would you condesend to their blue power ?

    • Elizabeth Conley

      Your kind aren’t sorry until it happens to you. I hope it does, and soon. You deserve it.

      The rest of us want our Constitutional rights back. The next violent home invasion needs to be met with armed resistance. If it’s the police, then good riddence.

      Government agents have no business performing violent home invasions against terrified women, puppies and toddlers. The people committing these crimes are violent thugs, and they should be shot like the rabid dogs they are. There’s no excuse for the violence of these assaults on citizens’ homes.

      • Dese

        That Puppy will grow up to be a vicious PIT BULL. Why do the Illegals all have them, Huh?

    • Hank

      To most of the people in Nazi Germany, it was OK to do this kind of stuff,if they complained in the USSR, you would get a free vacation to Serberia. Folks this the USA ,its called freedom! Please don’t tell me this is OK. I think this is wrong and I believe that its all about government control. This is about arresting young Americians for having a jouint or a pill so that the cops and DA can show how great they are for busting some petty criminal, while the rich Linsey Lohans and the dirty politicians go free.

    • nonsequitur

      People like you are the reason this country is no longer free. Let’s see your reaction after this happens to you.

    • Vince

      So you would have no problem with a bunch of men pointing weapons at your daughter and then offering a halfhearted apology afterwards? THIS is why things in this country have gotten so bad. A nation of cowards willing to sell their liberties for the facade you call freedom.

    • Diogenes

      Robert -idiotic post. Using your calculus, if we’re able to seize one gun or one illegal alien, that justifies chainsawing down an innocent person’s door and terrorizing a woman and child who did nothing wrong, because you were too sloppy to do your job right. Because you were careless and sloppy. Sorry, no sale. What you’re describing is a police state, qhat you’re describing is madness. According to your lousy logic, the seizure of ten guns or ten illegal aliens justifies terrorizing ten innocent families thru sloppy mistakes. If you would be OK if they smashed down your door and terrorized your wife and kids, if you would be OK with your wife being made to lie in a puddle of dog urine and your baby daughter screaming for her mom for a half hour, then you are a hopeless fool and not worthy of being a husband or a father.. People like you can’t wait to be rolled over and abused by your government, for you government has carte blanche to engage in all manner of abuse of innocent people, as long as they arrest an illegal alien or confiscate a gun every once in a while. It doesn’t even matter to you whether the illegal alien is a narco trafficker, or some guy picking fruit for a lousy wage and collecting some form of welfare – in either case, you’re just fine and dandy with innocent people being terrorized thru sloppy mistakes, so long as they eventually chainsaw thru the correct door and get their man. By your logic, you’d have been just fine living in a country where they had a Gestapo or a Stasi. “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Amen.

    • Jeff Callahan

      You are sick in the head. Attitudes like yours are why we are no longer free in America.

    • Jonathan A Acord

      Wrong Robert- America is NOT Nazi Germany–an apology just isn’t good enough–Lets send them to YOUR door at 6:00 am before you’re awake to chainsaw your door open and BURST in your home with guns drawn to terrorize you and any children you may have to the point of hysteria…IF they tried that in my home I guarantee you I have 2 guns within reach in my bedroom–both loaded..and I promise you they would have been sorry MFs…and rightly so! Robert I’m sorry BUT you Sir are a wiener. No judge in the this world OR likely the next would hold me responsible for protecting my home from Nazi storm troopers HELL bent on my destruction!

    • Gunfucius

      Robert, demonizing guns is not right. Firearms are legal and our last defense against the very criminals you mention. I do agree that mistakes happen and I’m sure the FBI will make good with all concerned. BTW, if I had neighbors dealing drugs the authorities would know exactly who I was and would have had my wholehearted support using my apartment as a staging point. Miss Sanchez most likely knew what was going on and should be apologizing for not informing the cops about her drug dealing friends. If she didn’t know, she should have.

    • Bilford Rielly

      Robert: Doing Law Enforement on the percentage of Weathermen is not Law Enforcement it is stupidity. If you screwed up that badly in your job you would be G-O-N-E! As should be.

    • yhm

      You’d be OK with your child being terrorized like hers was? You sir, are lost.

    • Pastor Russell

      Sounds Just as bad as the other routine apology!
      “Gee! We only caused you great terror and maybe even some psychological damage! But Nothing like a few years of therapy to clear it up. You will be back to your ole self again except for that nerves twitch in your eye. No harm done!”
      Typical Liberal think! We are terrifying you for your own good!
      And Oh yes! Guns! Those evil things which plot crimes and destruction. Guns prowl the streets to find victims and then all by themselves they pull their own trigger. You can’t trust a gun!
      Only the cops guns are smart and know what to do, like pointing their barrel at a woman laying on the floor and threatening to murder her.


    • Allen

      I am totally shocked that a FREE person could have such a point of view. You make it difficult for the rest of us to remain free.

    • http://jammer88.wordpress.com jammer88

      ditto and I’m sure Jessica Sanchez is probably an illegal alien herself. DEPORT THEM ALL!

    • K Mayfield

      Are you f@#king kidding me?!! What a sheep you are. This is how the gestapo and the KGB ran their operations and real people ended up dead or in a camp.
      What an idiot.

    • Melissa Segesman

      Your attitude is the very essence of the problems we now face in this country. We have become numb to the governmental way of life. We do NOT simply sit by and assume this is acceptable behavior! You should be outraged that something like this happened on our american soil! A chainsaw comes through my front door and a volley of .45 diameter pieces of lead are kindly returned in the outward direction! No citizen deserves this type of treatment, mistake or not! Europe might be a lovely destination for you to consider as a place to live. You would love the sheep like atmosphere in the UK.

    • Nelson Mandella

      Velcome to the Knew Amerikka! Zis is just a taste of vat ve have in store for you, since Obama signed the NDAA. And you Robert you who would give up all your rights for a little security, deserve neither.

    • Ozlanthos

      There is only one problem, they have made it virtually IMPOSSIBLE for the average NY resident to purchase or own a firearm. That is why they went in so brazenly! They already know that there is an 85% chance that everyone on the other side of the door is UNARMED.


      • Juff

        Fitchburg is in Massachusetts, not NY

      • ftnwo

        exactly! the point and the plan.

    • AUEagle

      An individual willing to sacrifice liberty for protection deserves neither!

      • MrLiberty

        I’ll second that………………………..

      • MDKing

        Agree 100%

      • geo

        I so agree. Its gotten way out of hand.

    • Ryan

      So i had this really well written response untill word press screwed it up. So here is the short version.
      Your comment speaks to the overarching issue in society- expecting the government to fix our issues.

      I say man-up and defend your home, neighbor and way of life. Band together with your neighbors and stand-up to the infestation of drugs and gangs.

      Yes it will be hard and yes it will probably involve the police – but lets all take responsibility as MEN and fight (legally) for a better society and not wait for “someone” else to fix it
      We should be offended if the FBI comes into our neighborhood – that means we failed.

      “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”- Sir Edmund Burke.

      • Scott

        A frickin’ men.

        I live in a shaky neighborhood that is perpetually teetering on the edge of becoming a true crime nest. Less than a block from my house is an apartment complex filled with thugs and pushers, and they attract all the expected types regularly on weekend nights.

        I also participate in the local neighborhood watch, and we walk up and down the six blocks in our territory, in groups of five (in shifts, of course), all armed with basic hand weapons (no guns), every night from 10pm until 2am. The only major problem we’ve had since we began this tradition was when a college team was bused in and was put up in the vacant back-side apartments in the aforementioned drug nest. Two people got shot that night, thankfully none in our watch group, because it happened around 3:30.

        Seriously, folks, if you don’t like how your neighborhood looks, do something about it, and quit wringing your hands and complaining.

      • lilmsnoitall

        This is what it is going to take to clean this hellhole up, or we can expect a police state. Good thought process Ryan

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        It may already be too late and these criminal globalist billionaire bureaucrat king pigs are going to accomplish the 90% human extermination globally that they’ve been planning and preparing and proselytizing as good for Earth, when really it’s only good to maintain their grossly corrupt power.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        All this crap must and will end. It’s gross lawlessness that’s now building robot armies, drones to augment their nuke arsenal and ensure resistance be futile. The longer we let this go on, the more of us are going to die by it when you finally recognize it as brutal criminality and stand against it.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        What’s going on in the USA is grossly criminal cronyism, which is another thing that was outlawed centuries ago due the damage it causes society to have a clique of power hungry domineers using the power of the state to run their criminal game on the whole world. The FOR PROFIT Prison industry, also crony operated, is a heinous abuse of US citizens.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        Common law is simple, don’t encroach on anybody or their property and meet your agreements. Obviously merely possessing plants you own is not an encroachment on other people, nor on their property, and doesn’t break any agreement. Thus, by common law possessing cannabis is perfectly legal. The constitution guarantees to us by the 7th Amendment, trial by jury AND common law where the offense is claimed worth more than $20.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        Regulation would be appropriate, by the states, in compliance with the wishes of their people, IF injury were an often enough occurrence. Cannabis is impossibly over dosed and in actuality is IDEAL HUMAN NUTRITION. Cannabis contains the exact ratio humans need of omega 3 and 6 oils AND it contains the exact protein proportion humans need to build DISEASE FIGHTING IMMUNOGLOBINS. Cannabis is a purely benign MEDICINE. PLUS it’s a whole nutrient, people can survive and thrive on a cannabis only diet. Yet the fed gov by the drug war they started on American citizens is arresting people for victimless crimes, which are really no crimes at all. Then the fkn criminal judges are instructing jurors to disregard evaluating guilt and accept the judges “instructions” on how to evaluate the case, which strips the jurors of their RESPONSIBILITY to evaluate not merely if the suspect did the “crime” but if the law is just, if what the suspect did was really a crime at all, which I hold out to you, regarding mere cannabis possession is not possibly a crime by common law.

      • Daniel Vincent Kelley

        Nah. No fail on the FBI showing up. They’re 1 of the biggest criminal gangs. They’ll make up reasons to break in to people’s homes and shoot any who resist. The FBI was born from J.E. Hoover, who used the FBI to investigate congress, to blackmail them, while the CIA put all manner of blackmail worthy bait in the path of those congressmen who became pliant slaves to the will of the most demonic element of Earthly society, The Rothschild Banking Empire, which now spans the globe. The Rothschilds own every CENTRAL BANK on Earth, they own the central banks of ALL nations, they control the printing of the money with which they buy whoever needs be bought to run a monumental scam on the tax payer and massively murder people by disease, starvation, warfare. The excuses the FBI uses to break and enter and shoot people aren’t even possibly federal crimes.

      • htos1

        Roger that!
        Locked and loaded.

    • Mike

      Tommy Tisher syndrome

    • Ryan

      I can’t wait for them to knock down your door.

    • Freemon SandleWould

      They are not saving anyone. Legalize drugs and the funding for the gangs go away with attendant price drops.

      The only thing these jackbooted thugs are doing is killing our rights.

    • Pup

      Robert you’re an idiot. This lady had her rights trampled and her life threatened. She should sue that police department out of existence.

    • YouGaddaBeKidding

      You’d be “ok” with it?? And there’s the problem. People like you are what allows them to get away with doing it to the rest of us who are NOT “ok” with it!

    • HLS

      >Fitchburg is infested. These guys are putting their lives on the line to protect us from the rodents.

      Last time I remember somebody calling an entire group of people rats, it was 1925, and six million Jews died.

    • Hal McCombs

      Ltpar? If it were your children being terrorized you’d feel different. Or maybe you grew up in the USSR, so you’re used to that.

    • Tomd

      Wow, cuspid just totally owned this thread.

      Good job, friend.

    • ftnwo

      these “guys”, aka the FBI, have been caught red handed using patsies to blow up american buildings in concert with the batf. these “guys” are a nazi thug gang that are setting up patsies all over this nation for “domestic terrorism” busts to further destroy our liberties. A WELL ARMED citizenry, and well trained, does NOT NEED a police force nor the FBI or CIA. I can protect me and mine just fine, and furthermore, ALL POLICE forces should be abolished and there should only be the Sheriff’s, whom are the highest order of law in the land as it is, and are the keepers of the Constitution with the authority to arrest “federal” agents.

    • EJBonham

      Who the Hell are you to apologize for this federal thuggery? Goodbye freedom in the name of ‘security’. I hope that she sues them for their stupidity and incompetence.

      • Meeyah

        I agree with your first two sentences but that is a Bad idea about suing the police. Who do you think will end up paying that bill?

    • oldgeez

      Robert….just saw the memo…they’ll be cutting and kicking YOUR door down tomorrow at 6:04….just before YOU wake up….they will point guns at YOU and order YOU to lay in your dog’s urine for 35 minutes while YOUR daughter cries out for you and you don’t dare move for fear of being shot.

      Then they will find out they have the wrong address and give you a number to call to get the money back to fix the door THEY destroyed and give you a half-assed “sorry”.

      I’m sure, as you already said, you will feel it’s all good.

      The problem is that we have all become sheep willing to accept the abuses of an out of control government for “the greater good”.

      There is that pesky thing called the constitution that SHOULD protect us from what happened to Jessica, but too often people such as yourself are willing to give up a little “constitution” if they catch somebody.

      Why not expect them to follow the constitution in the first place, and possibly read the address correctly?

      • Marilyn Banner

        Well said. And that’s why we need to vote for Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate worried about how rapidly we’re losing our freedom.

    • Whizerd67

      Go a little further with that, and say, since you are a concerned neighbor of this drug activity(and I don’t mean the dude next door that smokes a joint after work), since you have a child to think about, and circumstances have you renting in this building for whatever reason..the YOU should be the one letting them know where this stupid stuff is happening. Thereby, eliminating the possibility(or at least diminishing the possibility) that they would break your door down.
      Example..if I had a meth head, or a meth-maker living next door to me and my two children, they will be asked nicely to leave, and then, if they didn’t comply, I’d let it go for a month to make them think it’s all good, and “that fool ain’t gonna do nothing’. Then, it’s on. They will have a visit by authorities..and if that didn’t work, my children would go someplace safe, and I would make the “warrantless’ arrest myself…and I don’t care what the consequences were!

      As for how this story went down…if they were surprise me like that, and I wasn’t into anything stupid, and they did it wrong like that, then came back to ‘apologize’..??!!? …Yeah, that messenger would have been hit in his mouth with whatever I had in my hand at the time, or my bare hands…”oops, I apologize.”
      However, being the neighborhood this seems to be in, I must say that, there may be something else underlying from this story that isn’t being said…of course, if it was a mistake, those ‘underlying circumstances’ would be covered-up fully, and made to be a distraction, and exoneration from anything unlawful by these criminals with badges anyway..so..
      That family is screwed..and I BET the landlord makes the tenant pay for the damages to the door. I may be wrong though.
      ~Blessed Be to all~

  • FixtheFitch

    I know many people in Fitchburg, and I’m happy that the Feds are finally doing someting about the guns, drugs, and gangs that the town in riddled with! I’m sorry this lady and others are the wrong targets of crime stings, but these operations are absolutely necessary in “the Fitch”. The local newspapers are always reporting about the crime that the town is “infested” with (like Robert above stated). Hopefully Mayor Wong and other town officials are taking note of these corruptions, and are taking the proper steps to weed out the low-lives and bring some freshness back to the town. Do away with section 8, subsidized housing, additional alcohol distributors (there’s a bar on every corner!), and require that ALL landlords of the sub-standard multi-family apts live within 10mi and get regular home inspections. If the town would set a standard and maintain it,things would be different.

    • cuspid

      Fitch – Another useful idiot.

      • mike

        Thank God there are still some Americans with a backbone and a sense of what the Constitution is about. Cuspid….I salute you.

    • Ozlanthos

      You may or may not know this. But, there is a maxim that applies to all marketable goods and services. It is called supply and demand. There are liquor stores on every corner because PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DRINK! There are large marijuana grow-ops in buildings on your block because PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SMOKE MARIJUANA! And no amount of cops, feds, guns, laws, drug-testing, prisons…etc is EVER GOING TO CHANGE THAT FACt!!! Cops prove it to you everyday! They make a bust like this, and the next day, in a building on the other side of the block someone starts prepping a building for hosting a growing operation at least as large as the one that was taken out! This same failed policy has been in operation for over 70 YEARS, and more people are growing, selling, and smoking marijuana than when it was first enacted!!!

      How much longer do you think it needs to go on? Until everyone stops using drugs? (Yeah that is going to happen as soon as this planet fails to support our existence here!) How much longer? A year? 5 more years? 2 more decades? How long until the drug war has been won? How many more botched raids, broken families, criminalized children, accidental shootings, and gang-murders do we as a society have to endure so that “YOU” can feel like something good is being done?


    • ftnwo

      you’re a nazi boot licker and an idiot of the highest order. we do not need cops to protect us PERIOD!! We need to use our 2nd Amendment rights and handle our business.

    • Locked and Loaded

      So you’re part of the idiot swat team I’m guessing? A CHAINSAW? Really? I’m sorry but ANYBODY starts sawing down ANYBODY’s door at 6AM with a chainsaw then they are asking for a gunfight. There are a lot of home invasions going on now but the police and media are playing them down. A chainsaw cutting down the door makes a tremendous racket and nobody can reasonably expect to hear any announcements of it being the police. Besides, home invaders are notorious for claiming to be police with a search warrant. They keep up with these tactics and they better start expecting armed resistance. No reasonable person can be expected to mentally process that it is the police not serial killers when they use a chainsaw on your door and wake you from a sound sleep.

      • John Sheridan

        The objective of these ‘raids’ on innocent people is to get you used to the fact thet you might be ‘invaded’ at any moment and to bring fear to the populace. All the better to control the population in the new police state.

      • Bukkiah Golden

        The whole necessity of the no-knock or surprise the bad guys is completely false. After they spent over half an hour harassing the wrong person, they still arrested the correct suspects after the element of surprise was dead, buried, mourned, and memorialized in granite.

        I think John Sheridan’s point is valid. How on earth could your otherwise justify these types of actions? How is it that a citizen is going to be expected to differentiate this type of event from a home invasion, in an area where they are COMMON moreover. Police have the wrong attitude about their powers.

        Ron Paul!!! :)

      • Get Your Guns

        The 4th Admendment protects from Unreasonable Searches. Even if they went to the right apartment, it would still be illegal, and I’d be happy to hang the jury, if I were on it. This is exactly why the Second Admendment exists!

      • James

        Dead on Locked & loaded… Which is why I keep a gun at home. I can always call 911 to verify if it is the police with my 9mm at my side and my AR… LOL

      • MDKing

        I’m sorry NewYorker’s can’t protect themselves, the Second Ammendment was for this very thing. Police or Government or the common criminal. Some one using a chain saw on my doors will be facing a loaded shotgun with slugs and buck shot for their troubles, but I live in a free state, Texas…

      • Steven Senior

        You are correct – besides what is wrong with waiting on these criminals to leave and then arrest them. Unless they are a direct threat to the public, pick them up when they sliver out of their nest. That sure as hell would have made Waco a non story.

      • ed

        There are also shotgun rounds called door breachers for wooden doors. Bam! and the door is open.

    • tsalnew

      Most will criticize your comments despite the fact that they make perfect sense and are well thought out and presented. What happened is a travesty on all levels. I feel terrible for the woman and even worse for her child who was not allowed to get to her mommy. On the scale of things, when you consider all of the FBI raids, there are few errors. It’s a shame the media doesn’t spend as much time trying to help fix the mess rather than happily contribute to it.

      • blake

        If the authorities should simply compensate people who this happens to, how much should the compensation be when an innocent person is killed in one of these raids? Although it didn’t happen in this case, people ARE killed in these raids. The feds (and local police forces) are doing this sort of thing all over the country. The question is, why? Why is the use of violence necessary? Law enforcement is supposed to be charged with keeping the peace; instead, raids like this create violence where none would otherwise exist. We’ve been trying prohibition long enough at this point in time that it is ridiculous to think that by arresting drug dealers drugs will disappear, but raids like this take things even further and invert the whole calculus of the issue: The supposed reason drugs are illegal is because their use allegedly causes problems like violence (which is actually more true for alcohol than many if not most illegal drugs, but that is another issue); however, if the goal is to prevent violence, how in the world does it help to have law enforcement initiate it?

        As long as raids like this are used, mistakes will be made, and innocent people will be terrorized and/or killed. Even when innocents are unaffected, violence is still being created in these raids by the state, and for what? What good are these raids doing that can outweigh that fact? Given the law of supply and demand along with the fact that most humans throughout history and in the foreseeable future will occasionally wish to chemically alter their consciousness, what good can these raids possibly achieve?

      • tsalnew

        @FixTheFitch……….I do get what you are saying. However, as you see, little people on here will crucify you if you happen to say something that does not meet with their approval. This blog is full of what makes this country the mess it is now. I agree with what you said initially and your comments now. The end result was a horrible error. We all make errors – with of course the exception of the many here who believe they are perfect. I hope for you and all who live in Fitchburg that something is done to make it a safer place to live.

      • cuspid

        NWA was right.

      • FixtheFitch

        …I just came back to check the updates on this posting, and all I can say is “Wow”! Tsalnew, I think you’re the only one that got what I was saying! I was totally misunderstood! (I guess it’s all based on perspective). I was simply stating that Fitchburg has had a great deal of corruption that has been plaguing the town for years, and it looks like the Feds are finally (trying) to do something about it! I certainly DO NOT think that a 2yr investigation that ended in an innocent victim and her 3yr old child being terrorized by a chain saw and armed police was an acceptable event. She absolutely should be compensated for the trauma that her famiy was wrongfully exposed to. I do think, however, that it’s necessary to execute these operations with an element of surprise if it means a greater chance of catching the criminals off-guard and putting them away for some hard time. What happened to this lady was awful, and I hope the FBI will learn from this huge mistake.

      • blake

        er, the last part of that last sentence should read “what good can these raids possibly be doing that would outweigh that fact?”

  • Jill

    They infringed on her civil rights and traumatized the woman’s little girl. What if she had panicked and was shot. Would that be ok as long as there was an arrest made down the hall? If I were her, I’d be on the phone with an attorney and every news media that would listen.

    • Postman

      Yes, they did. Lot’s of what ifs exist that didn’t come to pass. What if they had thrown a tear gas canister inside and started the building on fire? What if they turned off the power in the building and everyone had to reset their clocks? What if she wasn’t allowed to have pets and the landlord kicks her out because of the puppy? She’ll be HOMELESS!

      What’s an attorney gonna do for this woman and her daughter, take away the trauma? Think she’ll feel better and forget this horrible trauma if the give her some cash?

      BTW: When was the last time you made a mistake, Jill? (or don’t you make mistakes?)

      • McSorley

        Your post is totally moronic…

      • ed

        Tell me this, assume they had the right apartment, how much time did that chainsaw give the guy inside to jump out a window and run or grab a gun and be ready to blow away the cops coming through the door?

      • Buffmuffin


        You’re an idiot. Do everyone a favor and STFU.

      • osprey

        Mistakes of mine don’t take the form of armed incursion complete with threats of harm and property damage. Living in Florida’s first congressional I would have opened fire on anything taking a chainsaw to my door, be vindicated in court, both criminally (Florida’s no retreat law) and civilly. And a cops kids would be minus a Baby Daddy, before I was arrested. This proforma, “church lady” apology is weak, should not serve. Next time some tool smashes through your door without a warrant, kill them. I’m not sure where you live but move.

      • Scott

        You questioning “what if” scenarios doesn’t hold water. Certainly, if the what if’s are outlandish, like the ones you provided, then they don’t merit consideration. However, if the what if’s are reasonable, such as what if that terrorist succeeded in their plot then the what if is very important to consider. What if I don’t wear my seat belt? There are very important consequences of that behavior, particularly loss of life and property and they must be considered and that’s why we have a law for it. When the government takes down the wrong door with a chainsaw, there are very serious what if’s to consider. An innocent woman and child came extremely close to being killed by their government without a trial or having done anything wrong. This is a majorly important what if.

      • Oli Phaunt

        Mistakes? Yes, I make them on occasion. However any time I’m cutting my way into someone’s house using a chainsaw I make sure to read the the number on the door first to see if its the right place. If you make a simple, dumb mistake when you do something simple its usually not that big of a deal. This mistake was way too easy to avoid for the people that did it not to have any consequences.

      • Dan


        Your right to make mistakes ends where my civil rights begins. Mistake or not, this was a violent and illegal home invasion that put both the occupants and the invading police at real risk of harm. Had she been armed, she would have been perfectly within her rights to fire on the intruders and would almost certainly have ended up dead as a result.

      • Cynic


        It is quite obvious that you have no clue. Now, go back to sleep idiot!

      • tsalnew

        Agreed postman – we seem to live in a world where no one who blogs makes mistakes

      • Postman

        By all means, then. She should definitely lawyer up and Get PAID, baby! Someone making a mistake at your expense is like a winning lotto ticket to some. Get PAID!!! You people have all the angles covered. PTSD, dog pee, using the word ‘egregious’ (always good for a 5-10% increase in punitive damages), gross negligence…

        She’ll never feel safe again?!?! She’s living in a crappy apartment in Fitchburg. She ISN’T safe. Thank god the people holding the guns were feds instead of her neighbors!

        You’re all right! She should lawyer up and GET PAID!!! It’s the American way. Litigation is the way to success in our nation!!!

      • b

        for better or worse, cash is the medium of exchange by which civil liability is discharged in this country, and the liability here is substantial, i’d give her a million easy. it also sends a message to those who disregarded her constitutional rights.

      • hcartexas@yahoo.com

        Are you serious POSTMAN??? Cash awards make out of control govment agencies take notice.. sometimes. And BTW if you dont value your rights, I value mine, and I jealously and violently protect them.

      • Mitch

        You are so full of it. I hope that your family is terrorized and your pets killed by one of these raids and then perhaps you will feel differently and if you do not , you deserve what you get.

      • Spirit of 1776

        You sir, disgust me. On the graves of my Pilgrim forefathers, the violent, callous oppression of American citizens shall not stand.

      • Finbar

        Don’t know about you, Pman, but I pay a price for my mistakes.

      • Belunan

        Nice try, Mr. FBI guy.

      • Diogenes

        Sorry “Postman”, but your reply to Jill was DEPLORABLE. If this woman doesn’t sue the FBI over this raid, she’s crazy. Why? First, because this is a clear case of negligence and sloppiness on the part of the FBI. This was carelessness, and it DID result in her and her daughter being traumatized. In our legal system the appropriate remedy for government abuse is monetary compensation. There is tremendous value in seeing to it that the government is held to account for it’s egregious negligence – if they are not held accountable, it sends a message that government abuse that results from negligence is acceptable. These men were sloppy and unprofessional, and tremendous harm resulted, but you think that the government should get off scot free without accepting responsibility? Also, the lawsuit will bring about a better internal review, reducing the likelihood of further similar failures, it will likely cause disciplinary action against the agents who didn’t do their jobs correctly and unnecessarily traumatized this family. Without accountability, there is little likelihood of improvement. Additionally, this woman is going to need counseling – she was just put thru a traumatic experience in which she and her daughter were terrorized because of law enforcement sloppiness. The woman was lying in dog urine and forcibly prevented from going to her crying daughter for over a half hour – but YOU don’t think the government should pay for counseling? Or punitive damages for sloppy work that caused unnecessary trauma? You don’t think she should take a week long vacation and go visit family or get away somewhere, away from a house that she’ll NEVER feel safe in again? Do you think she’ll EVER feel safe in any home, anywhere again? This has PTSD written all over it. You’re ridiculous.Do you think that ANY private sector company in the country wouldn’t be sued over causing a comparable amount of harm? Do you think that government would let any private citizen off the hook for causing a similar amount of harm? Why should government be held to a lower standard of accountability, than a private concern or individual? You’re ridiculous.

      • Jill

        Like everyone else , I make plenty. But when your job requires extensive training that could save or take a human life AND you’ve had 2 years to prepare for this kind of operation, OOPS just doesnt cut it.

        So it’s a non-issue for you because the woman wasnt killed in the process of this foul up? Would you have a different opinion if it was you?

        An attorney probably isnt going to be able to do squat, but something like this shouldnt be taken lying down.

      • David Bennett

        Dumb ass. GTFO!

      • Old and in the Way

        When you carry a gun, and/or a chainsaw, you are no longer allowed to make mistakes.

    • ed

      Do you think that little girl will ever trust a cop?

      • woodNfish

        No one should ever trust a cop for any reason. NEVER! Especially not the always incompetent FBI or any other Fed POS. Cops are not your friends even when they act like they might be, and that includes when they are off duty because “officially” they are never off duty.

  • DoverDavid

    What if one of these people made a sudden move, or cried out, would they have been shot to death? If you get the wrong apartment, what is to say you will not misinturpurt some other kind of action. You would think these things would be calculated out to the last second as opposed to these wild attacks. And we condem other countries for doing this to their people.

    • Postman

      WHAT IF????

      • Buffmuffin


        You’re an idiot. Do everyone a favor and STFU.

      • tsalnew

        oh, Postman, and in addition to being perfect, bloggers also feel their opinion is the ONLY one that is valid and will happily call names and insult …………..why……..because as I said they are perfect ! Go figure

      • Publius

        Probably a gov’t troll. I guess he calls himself the Postman because “The Postman always rings twice.” Twisted sick humor at the expense of the woman’s child..

      • Finbar

        “What if” is just another way of saying: “Think it through before you act”. Or does Murphy’s Law have no place in Postman’s world?

      • Mike

        Is that your best argument, Mr. Obama?

        What if is exactly the correct question in a land governed by the rule of law, not the rule of man. If someone was chainsawing my door, I would assume was an intruder and there would be a whole lotta lead and dead.

        This swat team engaged in pure, gross negligence. There is no excuse for it. If they can’t even get the apartment right? How much can you trust their investigation and evidence they used to get to this point?

      • edge

        You’re kinda dumb.

      • David Bennett

        God you are stupid!

      • cuspid

        Well postman, what if she did move and they killed her?
        Cost of doing business?
        Submit or die, regardless of guilt?
        Submit to all whom order you around?
        Can I break in your house while yelling FBI? Will you automatically obey me?

        I’m sure tsa has some rationalizations too; what are they?

        I’m all ears.

  • mikey

    An unannounced raid is NEVER easy, even if everything goes perfect. Right!!

    And while I think the FBI needs to ‘man up’ and take control of botches like this, both with actions and compensation, realize that it may not be so cut and dry.

    People have been known to ‘swap’ door numbers when they want to hide. Heck, they can swap anything. I’m not saying the person involved in this botch was ‘involved’, but without knowing the ‘rest of the story’, it’s hard to tell what blame has to be applied, and how much.

    • phil

      ..this is yet another example of Government Tyranny. The “WAR” on drugs…is a joke. These officers violated this woman’s CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! Yes, it was a mistake. Yes, accidents happen. If however, we legalize drugs…then we take the money out of the trade, and thus the corruption. You wanna dope yourself with a chemical manufactured by a person that failed High School Chemistry? You are stupid. You need to get the hell out of this life and your defective gene pool needs to be drained.
      This lady will be compensated, yet….the phony drug war will continue. Stop with the insanity.

    • Dave

      “People have been known to ‘swap’ door numbers when they want to hide. ”

      A fair point, but when the apartment numbers go, “1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 12, 5…”, that should tip off the cops that something’s amiss. :)

    • tsalnew

      hi mikey – hey careful – you are bordering on using common sense and that isn’t looked upon as a good thing here.

      BTW I agree with you :)

    • cuspid

      it’s hard to tell what blame has to be applied, and how much.
      The cops terrorized and assaulted an innocent person.
      They are to blame.


      And if they’re too stupid hot to be tricked by a door number after TWO YEARS of investigation, why the hell aren’t they working at mcdonalds mopping the floor?

  • Mike G

    Expect more of the same by Fuhrer Obama’s storm troopers if he is re-elected in November.

    • petem

      Did the Patriot Act, which enable a lot of this activity, come in under Obama or was it Bush? That’s right it was Bush Jr.
      Go back and tell them you made a good one Dwayne! Maybe they’ll pay you for this one!

      • Locke

        Obama signed a continuation and expansion of the ‘Patriot’ act, so it’s his too.
        Obama also has the NDAA that makes Bush look like the Keebler elf in comparison. The NDAA allows permanent detention/murder of any citizen for any or no reason without trial.

      • cuspid

        Liberals are funny. They’ll blame bush for everything he did wrong (which was a lot) and then defend Prez Zero for continuing every same policy…

  • JimDeep

    Don’t worry. The Federal Government will be much better at running healthcare.

    • denver bill

      Yep. It will be every bit as good as the VA hospitals, federal prisons and Indian reservations.

  • g abbott

    What if I decided to legally protect myself and my family and wound up dead at the hands of these overstepping idiots?

    Government is so inefficient and inept – usually at the decision making level – that it makes me sick.


    • Postman

      WHAT IF?!?!?!?

      • Locke

        Your point postman?
        “What if,” is the reason potbellies are allowed to put their hands down the pants and grope 5 year-olds in airports. “What if” is the reason radiation porno bakers are in airports, courthouses and planned to be put in train and bus stations.
        “What if” is the reason Bush attacked Iraq and Obama attacked Libya and plans to attack Iran. The state uses “what if” to justify it’s tyranny daily.

        The fact is through an act of total incompetence a Federal police agency placed a woman and her child in extreme danger, destroyed property, and violated a number of basic human rights. And apology doesn’t cut it.
        The number one cause of unnatural death worldwide is government. Only a fool would say that isn’t a reason to ask relevant “what if” questions.

      • Mike

        Really? I bet you voted for Obama. Another stupid, shortsighted devotee of government power. Check out the link below and get diarrhea!!!


      • Scott

        We don’t need a what if, we have what really happened. An innocent woman and child were wrongly detained at gunpoint by their government with no probable cause. This is bad.

      • petem

        Really a link to o the CATO Institute? Why not a more direct link to Koch Industries? The last thing that these Koch ‘think tanks’ are interested in individual rights. Corporate rights, well that’s another question….

      • David Bennett

        Could you PLEASE STFU and GTFO?!

      • dingles

        IF WHAT?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?…..moron.

  • http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/01/i-just-happened-to-glance-over-and-saw-this-huge-chainsaw-ripping-down-the-side-of-my-door/ “I just happened to glance over and saw this huge chainsaw ripping down the side of my door.” | The Agitator

    […] FBI takes the isolated incident into horror-film territory. It’s going to be a while before things get back to normal for Judy Sanchez and her three-year-old […]

  • Southern

    I would have died. Quite literally. I might have gotten the first two or maybe three, then I would have went down in a hail of bullets. But the people that break in my house will be met with lead. And I don’t much care which “side” they allegedly are on. I would die trying to defend the country I used to have.

    • osprey

      teflon coated glazer lead.

    • osprey


  • Some Guy

    Why didn’t the reporter try and get a comment from the federal goons, I mean FBI, spokesman? Or better yet, why not start asking CONGRESSMEN for a comment on why this is happening more and more to their constituents, and why they aren’t doing anything about it?

    The taxpayers will pay royally for the CRIMINAL negligence of the overpaid goons who treat peaceful citizens as the criminals.

    Stop the Nazification of America, we have a Constitution, and they took an oath to defend it. They violated that oath.

    What’s worse, is there is no SHAME involved on the part of the criminal trespassers. And yes, when you don’t have a warrant, you are trespassing if you don’t have permission, it doesn’t matter if the federales had “good” intentions, innocent people could have died because the FBI has steroid-riddled goons who get their jollies breaking down doors.

  • mark edward marchiafava

    and these thugs will be in jail WHEN ?

  • denver bill

    Knock, knock.
    Who’s there?
    FBI who?
    DOWN ON THE FLOOR BIITCH! OOPS! Sorry. Hope it doesn’t cost you too much to replace that door.

  • PTParks

    I have a concealed weapons permit and a number of guns within ready reach. By law, I am allowed to defend my property. Law Enforecment better be double sure of the correct address before they chainsaw my door.

    • kmrod

      “by law i am allowed to defend my property”……….. If you shot a cop you’d go to jail. you probably like to think different but you’re wrong.

      • Jimbo

        That would be up to a jury

      • Spirit of 1776

        So what.

        As a cop killer, you’d be the toast of the cell block. Besides, with ass kissers like you, there is no incentive for the goons with a badge to clean up their act.

      • cuspid

        “If you shot a cop you’d go to jail”

        Not if I were on the jury – not in this case for sure.

  • jsop

    If this had happened at my house, at least two agents would have been shot dead, and then me. Why? Because I would have assumed it was a home invasion, and I’m LEGALLY armed to the teeth.

    • Postman

      …or you would have pee’d in your jammies when you opened your eyes looking down the barrel of an HK416. Then you could sue for a better bed to replace the one you pee’d. Go big! If you get a good lawyer, you could probably get a new Tempurpedic mattress!

      You’re right, though. You would have the right to shoot at ’em UNLESS they identified themselves as LE with a search warrant. Then, you need to stand down.

      • Jim

        It’s hard to hear LE’s announce themselves with a chainsaw going. They’re lucky she wasn’t armed.

      • B

        No, I’d shoot them. Though, their dead bodies would evacuate, so the part about the pee is technically correct, it would just be there’s. Nice try idiot.

      • James Solbakken


        …or you would have pee’d in your jammies when you opened your eyes looking down the barrel of an HK416. Then you could sue for a better bed to replace the one you pee’d. Go big! If you get a good lawyer, you could probably get a new Tempurpedic mattress!You’re right, though. You would have the right to shoot at ‘em UNLESS they identified themselves as LE with a search warrant. Then, you need to stand down….<<<

        And you filthy rotten violent crazy evil pigs wonder why normal people hate you now? Read what you've been writing, and think about it. Keep it up, and there's no telling what's gonna happen.

        James Solbakken

      • Matthew

        No need to stand down with an illegal warrant at the wrong address. It is common for criminals to use “Open up, Police.” when trying to enter a home. My advice is to lock your door, arm yourself and call 911 to report an intruder. When I die, it will be standing up. Not laying down in a puddle of dog piss.

      • Matthew

        No need to stand down with an illegal warrant at the wrong address. It is common for criminals to use “Open up, Police.” when trying to enter a home. My advice is to lock your door, arm yourself and call 911 to report an intruder. When I die, it will be standing up. Not laying down in a puddle of dog piss.

    • Get Your Guns

      Without annouching and producing a legitimate Warrant, they should be shot.

    • Locked N Loaded

      Semper Fi, my brother, Semper Fi.

  • http://www.fohguild.org/forums/general/32121-cops-suck-their-jobs-go-paid-leave-thread-261.html#post2272684 The Cops that Suck at Their Jobs and Go on Paid Leave Thread - Page 261 - Fires of Heaven Guild Message Board

    […] […]

  • Mark Matis

    Dead pigs. Coming soon. And maybe dead pig families as well, since this swill has NO concern about who is in the homes THEY invade. Cocktails through the bedroom window in the middle of the night, anyone? After all, that IS their own Rules of Engagement…

  • Marco

    That apology she got is worth nothing. Don’t expect the jack booted government thugs to pay for the door, either.

  • Phil

    Every small time police chief wants to play Rambo with these no-knock raids. It’s dangerous and unnecessary. Two year investigation, but they couldn’t wait for the suspect to walk out the door to go to work or grab a burger? He could have been arrested in the hallway without incident, and also less danger to the police.

    • GreyGeek

      Ah, but a “smash and grab” is more dramatic for the John Wayne wannabes that using common sense. And then there is the “PerpWalk” to humiliate someone who hasn’t been proven guilty in a court of law.

  • Nick

    One does not question the activities of the gestapo. Perhaps you are a [druggie | terrorist | communist | anarchist | other], and we will come for you in the night next. Remember: your loss of [liberty | freedom | property | life | other] is necessary for the security of everyone. Ve are the gestapo!

    • Get Your Guns

      People should remember the Patriot Act was signed by the Grandson of a man. Preston Bush who was guilty of trading with the NAZI’s in WW2.

      • David Maxwell

        Better than George Soros who worked for the Nazis.

  • Martin

    Was that “B”uttle or “T”uttle? No worry maam, the Ministry of Information Retrieval will just send a check for your loss.

  • Some Guy

    John Bad Elk v. United States – 177 U.S. 529 (1900)


  • Matthew Dunnyveg

    Get used to it. We now live in a police state, and we have only ourselves to blame for allowing it to happen.

  • awfewf

    At least they didn’t shoot the dog this time

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