Thermal Cameras Show Too Much?

BOSTON (CBS) – A thermal imaging project in the city of Boston has been put on hold because of privacy concerns.

Lisa van der Pool of the Boston Business Journal reports.

Boston officials had hoped to have aerial and street-level photos taken across about four square miles of the city this winter using infrared cameras that would show heat loss in the city homes.

Officials planned on sharing the photos and analysis with homeowners, and were hoping the findings would increase enrollment in efficiency programs and also create business opportunities.

But, the project hit a snag when the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts raised concerns that the infrared cameras would reveal information about what’s going on inside the homes. Sagewell’s cameras can take up to 20,000 images of homes per day.

Despite the concern, towns outside of Boston have not had any problems with the program. Utilities and environmental groups from Springfield and Hamilton are in the process of initiating the same project in their communities.

  • jzsmith1965

    so what are the concerns that the aclu has is it because of people might be growing mary jane or have a drug lab set up ? need more info

    • Helloseekers


    • David

      Don’t worry about the government. Some civil servants are just like my loved ones. They work so hard and they try to be strong. I’m a lucky guy to live in my building. Don’t you worry about me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        They can do this, bot can’t STOP THE INVASION –

      • David from San Diego

        ¡¡¡ They don’t WANT to stop the invasion !!!

    • TenaciousTexan

      Or maybe having sex with a spouse??? Are you serious asking why the ACLU or anyone else might be concerned – this used to be a free country with Constitutional Rights…

      • len

        EXACTLY Tenacious Texan!

        I can’t believe what sheeple the American people have become. Ugh, the average American is such a useful idiot.

      • Michael

        It would be hars ro believe that any person would disagree with you.
        I would also urge EVERYONE here to teach your children to question the government, and to raise their voices, to study the Constitution of the United States and to encourage children to ooenly discuss what the Bill Of Rights says:

      • Victim of illegal videoing

        There is so much more the government does that isn’t stopped by the aclu. You will find out before long how they video everyone in their homes using the wiring and lights. It’s happened for so long, but no one wants to believe those who try to put the information out there. Talk to your veterans. They know how it’s done and where it’s stored. These videos have never been used for any kind of security. They are used for the entertainment industry to doctor them up and put them in movies, or use the stolen ideas from people in their homes to make the shows people watch everyday. Almost everyone knows someone who has been in the military. Ask them a few questions. What the government does isn’t for security. That’s just the sales pitch they use for the general public to think they are safe. Take a look at the new television set up they have. It’s called SPY TV. Look it up and see how they plan to use it to monitor and control you.

    • thezapper

      it seems perfectly fine for IL – lisa madigan to release FOID card owners for the sake of transparency but not this

    • Patriot

      You’re obviously an iidiot who has never read the U.S. Constitution nor cares a damn about it. No doubt if this was something Bush wanted you would have got your panties all in a wad.

    • Julie

      They’re probably trying to keep up with the pervs at the airports.

  • AAA

    No they can’t. LOL, more wonderful media B.S!

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    • Wilder Napalm

      Well Numbnuts they can. Why do you think the police use FLIR on their choppers? They can see hot spots inside a structure they suspect of being an inside pot growing operation. You need to do a little research before you decide to post something and embarrass yourself.

      • John R

        The police use FLIR on their chopper so they can see at night. IR cameras can be used to help identify hotspots in buildings, for example to see where the heart of a fire is. Or, as some have said about the marijuana growing episode, to provide a tool for long term survellience of a suspected lab. But, in all cases, the IR camera is NOT seeing through the wall. It can only see the heat radiating from the exterior of the wall. Just like a normal camera can only see the light reflecting off the wall. IR band waves cannot pass through exterior building walls. Note: ordinary cameras CAN see through walls, IF the walls are GLASS. IR cameras cannot even do that.

      • beedogs

        “They can see hot spots inside a structure they suspect of being an inside pot growing operation.”

        Um, yeah, that’s actually illegal. The Supreme Court has already ruled against it.

      • JEPAXTON

        Well, Wilder Nitwit…As you say, “do a little research before you decide to post something and embarrass yourself” I think you need to take that advice yourself. Look up FLIR and it’s capabilities and you will see for yourself (Wilder Napalm = FAIL!)

        To all the rest of you who cannot think for themselves and obviously are worried that their behind closed doors activities are going to be seen, who cares! If we didn’t have so many pansy ass, whiney, “I need my mommy to wipe my nose”, tree hugging, useless waste of space people in this country then things would be so much better. (of course that would mean that all the PObama supporters would be GONE!) Hmmm…no problem there.

        Bottom line, all of you crying about your rights beign trampled, put your big girl panties on and worry about more important things, like disciplining your kids who are in need of a good ass whipping…oh wait, that would be a rights violation…GIVE ME A BREAK! WAKE UP AMERICA!

      • journalistsareworthless

        I can’t beleive the level of STUPID going on here. I’ve used IR cameras before, and you can’t see a clear image through so much as a sheet of paper with one. If something warm behind a wall heats the wall enough to warm the outside of the wall, the camera will pick up only the warm spot. For CBS Boston to post the IR photo above of people out on the open and attach an article discussing “seeing through walls” shows how stupid or dishonest they are. For the ACLU to latch onto this issue shows what scheisters they are. For those who fall prey to this tripe, I don’t know whether to feel superior for myself or sorry for you.

      • mcgd

        I work at FLIR and we have to continually explain the technology to the media. Yes, it is on police choppers and it works extremely well. I’ve seen footage where, during a criminal chase at night, the chopper operators are able to direct officers on the ground to a discarded weapon that has residual heat from the hand of the suspect!

        But, IR doesn’t penetrate glass or walls. If it did we would love to sell that technology to our military and law enforcement customers! In fact it is one of our selling points. Our security cameras allow surveillance without violating the privacy of your neighbors like regular security cameras can.

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      • Sorrel

        I wonder what Ted said when he had to face Mary Jo? We all get a day of reckoning.

    • Bill

      “all of you crying about your rights beign trampled, put your big girl panties on and worry about more important things”

      So you think you’re a conservative, do you?

      You don’t know what “conservative” means. It certainly does NOT mean blindly supporting whatever the police or government wants to do!

      Worry about something more important than our RIGHTS?

      What would be more important than the rights for which our Founding Fathers pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor?

  • AndrewB

    I am holding a thermal camera in my lap as I type this. There is NO WAY that a thermal camera can record what humans are doing inside of a brick or wooden home. If a person leans against a wall for 10 minutes or so then it might pickup a faint outline of that person’s body from the outside. That’s it.

    • noway

      Ah but you dont have a government issue thermal camera. Public thermals are set to low power, you would be amazed what the government can do….


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    • barney

      kcuf you, troll!

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    • Ed

      What else are you holding ….?

      • Mark


        Andrew has a faint outline of a brain!!!!!!!!!!! HA! HA! HA!

      • Kevin


        You are right … Andrew B. is stupid, just like AAA!!!

    • fredzz

      These thermal cameras are not found in Cracker Jack boxes. They are the ones the big kids play with. Go back to bed Andrew!

    • Andrew Beauchamp

      The point is they’ll find all the marijuana grow operations in the city.

    • Cannabis-man

      THats not the point. The point here is should government be enforcing victemless crime laws? Who owns your body? How does ingesting or selling cannabis to consenting adults harm anyone but the users? Not only that, but no where in the constitution is there any authority for the government to make possession of substances illegal.

    • dave

      Depends on the camera. Certain Fire Departments and Police have different technologies specifically for that purpose.

      No point in sending a Firefighter in to clear a home at great risk of life and limb if there’s nobody in there.

      Police get to see where the bad guys are before a breach of a hostile environment.

      As to those who are ok with this, married people and others who engage in sexual activity and have any sense of modesty would be mortified.

      • john smith

        Sorry, but increase the amps as I am sure a government would do and you got Privacy.compromised Period.


        AAA IS STUPID!

      • IR Man

        Those are radar based not infrared !

      • StandingO

        dave sez: “No point in sending a Firefighter in to clear a home at great risk of life and limb if there’s nobody in there.”

        I suppose that camera is so good it can find body heat when the house is on fire? LMAO.

        What about the opposite? Can it tell if somebody inside has assumed room temperature?

      • drpageiv

        What is to prevent a Police Officer from looking in without a warrant? I do grow weed and I use grow lights that put off heat. The police aren’t suppose to look inside my person or papers. How about I don’t care if my house leaks energy and I don’t care about my environmental impact? Do you have the right to measure my environmental impact and then fine me for non-compliance?

      • James

        @drpageiv it sounds like you have a bias and are misusing the rights afforded to you by the constitution. They were put in place to protect the innocent. I would be curious to know how easily the cops could trace your IP after you have admitted to growing pot.

      • Johnny Sandiego

        James, pretty sure we are ALL presumed innocent, so the entire basis of your post is nonsense…and I bet you were the kid in school that tattled on everyone cooler than you (which is pretty much everyone, judging from your post). and BTW, i grow weed too, and I just smoked some of it and I feel great (part of that great feeling is knowing how much pot and pot-users get under your skin!) Even better, it’s legal here! California truly is the golden state…

      • Steve

        No, the SCOTUS has ruled on this (Kyllo vs. US), specifically in relation to the question of looking for grow operations. It’s illegal to use thermal imaging for discovery of such things because the home is to be secure from unreasonable searches. I think their reasoning was along the lines of evidence not visible to the naked eye, expectation of privacy, etc. Read the opinion for more details on the why.
        However, your comment about protecting the innocent is like saying “if you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t be worried”. This is not good basis for justifying government action. Such logic has been used by governments other than ours and is pretty well known bad. The reality is that rights designed to protect individual liberty do give shelter to some criminals. This is the cost of freedom. Get over it or move to China.

      • Todd

        It was put in place to detect home growing activity. I hate pot, but I hate Constitution Trampling even more…

    • OlTimer

      I have been out of the USAF for over thirty years. Back then we had imaging that could pick up a 15 watt light bulb 6 miles away. Yes, it would be difficult to see through a brick building, but you will see into wood structures, and you can even see where they have been, especially if they spent some time in one spot.

    • trifficious


      I strongly suspect you are not an expert on thermography and related systems. Thermal imaging systems can absolutly see through hi desnity materials. And I am talking above the FLIR grade of cameras that range in 3.5k. Especially whern Thermal imaging devices are fused with millimeter wave sense through the wall technology. I can see 12 feet into the ground looking for an IED or I can tell if you are wearing a thong from the other side of a cinderblock wall.

      Related to unreasonable search….Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001), held that the use of a thermal imaging device from a public vantage point to monitor the radiation of heat from a person’s home was a “search” within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, and thus required a warrant. Because the police in this case did not have a warrant, the Court reversed Kyllo’s conviction for growing marijuana.

      • John R

        A thermal camera cannot see through a wall. Period. All it can do is measure the emissions from the wall. Most IR cameras come in either the MWIR flavor (3-5 micron wavelength range) or LWIR (8-12 micron range). Both can’t even see through glass, which btw makes lensmaking interesting for them, much less wood, concrete, brick, stone, aluminum siding, drywall, plywood, shingles, etc.

        Now if you had something really hot in your house it might heat the wall, and an IR camera might detect that you had something really hot behind that wall. That’s it.

      • beedogs

        “I strongly suspect you are not an expert on thermography and related systems. I can tell if you are wearing a thong from the other side of a cinderblock wall.”

        I strongly suggest you are just making sh!t up.

    • aintthatgreat

      How well it can see an image, whether the image is blurred or not, is not the point, the point is that it has no business snapping photos in the first place without the occupants full knowledge and consent, after review of procedures and other photos to compare with.

      It’s a privacy issue.

    • JC

      I concur with Andrew. Can’t see through glass or roofs.

      • Daniel Seigler

        you need special equipment to see throughj GLASS?

    • mike

      Im guessing their FLIR camera is superior to yours.


      AndrewB, ahhh There may be NO WAY that your thermal imaging device can detect persons behind a wall due to its design limitations. But the State Police in PA have been using thermal imaging equipment for a few years now to look into buildings for people. The devices that they use work very well for that application. The internet has much information regarding the technology and the legal challenges. I have to wonder why you have thermal imaging equipment in the first place. With statements such as yours I doubt you have any understanding of thermal imaging or the capacity to put it to use in any meaningful way.

    • John

      How dumb are you? You are comparing a random infrared camera you have in your lap with the infinite budget of governments? Do you even understand what you are saying? This is simple technology, it’s been available to the military for over 20 (if not 40) years.

      • ML


        Great comment. However, We the People know that government budgets are NOT infinite. Those days are over. We the people are stopping that COLD.

      • newjerseybt

        I guess you missed the vote in the House of Rep. Since that vote, we spent more in interest than the 38B we “cut”. The dirty little secret is BOTH sides (D&R) derive power with more government spending. It is their “sales pitch” during elections. What are you GIVING me? WE the People always ask. We are selling our souls.

    • jess


      He is innocent. He is growing a natural plant. Nothing more innocent than that. Next time you want to point out who is “innocent” and who is not, lets make sure you use your turn signal EVERYTIME. Otherwise, your nothing more than a criminal….

      • Doug FL

        haha and cocaine too eh? hahhahaha give me a break

    • CommonCents

      You obviously have the ‘consumer’ version and not the military/government version.

      They most certainly can see what’s going on, that’s why SWAT teams have them.

    • ByteRider

      There thermal cameras, then there are HYPERSPECTRAL cameras… The hyperspectral camera can see you from 20 miles away, through polution and cloud cover, then a brick wall, AndrewB. I know, I worked on them.

      • John R

        You think these guys are parsing hyperspectral data cubes from a megabuck sensor in their hybrid car, while looking for home heat loss? Hyperspectral can’t do all that, either. Sounds like you were the salesman for the team, not the engineer.

      • chris

        you’re wrong and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • robert

      I make these for the military and they can do a LOT more than is described in this article. You have the Veg-o-matic version from Ron Popeil

    • Albert

      Andrew …your wrong…..the new military-supplied technology can count the pimples on your ass while your banging your girlfriend…

    • Jon W

      It all depends on the type and cooling of the thermal system. If it a nitrogen cooled system under pressure, it can very easily see through the walls. During my military days I worked with a variety of generational changes in thermal optics. The old ones (1980’s era), they could not see through walls, by the end of the 90’s it could pick up through walls I have been out since 1998 so I can only guess that there ahve been improvements since then. As for a thermal camera vs thermal imaging systems, the only difference is that one records the image the other does not. But the views are the same. If yours does not give good trans-structure images, it must not be a supercooled type or and older model.

  • Stu

    Kyllo v. United States. Antonin Scalia has the people’s back.

    • Government always wins

      Ashcroft/Gonzales v. Raich – Antonin Scalia has the government’s back.

    • BDubs

      Stu has the absolute right idea. Now, if you take a look at the Kyllo case you’ll realize that arguing if you can see into a home or not is even the point at all– and it isn’t!

      These cameras reveal, even potentially, the “intimate details” of the home. That is in violation of the 4th Amendment. Heat-detection cameras can, for instance, reveal at what hour the lady of the house takes her hot bath. Clearly, that’s in violation of the 4th! So if law enforcement wants to use these cameras on homes, they must have a warrant for a search.

  • John Gualt

    People complain about Google Streetview, which looks only at the outside of your house. Now we have the government looking INTO your house, and we’re fine with that? I don’t think so.

    • Eliie

      You are stupid, like AAA. No piece of equipment can penetrate a building and see into it. Go sit with Andrew B. and AAA!!!!!

      • stupidlibs

        Eliie is totally ignorant or just plain lying to people. Either way….it’s not working. I personally know military people who are retired. YES THEY CAN! THey have done this for the past decade idiot.

        Your body is heat too idiot. Your body WILL show up.

      • Freedom Gal

        How stupid you truly are. We have a friend, retired from military. YES they can SEE through your house. He would not say what the only type of material was that they could NOT see through, but they do this by air. So YOU are deceiving only yourself or like the current president and democrats in office, you know the truth but are only lying to the public, pushing your own socialistic agenda. Have you not heard? American citizens are more intelligent than the children we have running this country at this time. Don’t even waste your breath; you cannot deceive those who know the truth.

      • Tsiok

        You need to do some homework.

      • american-american

        The Columbus, OH police department installed a new IR camera on one of its helicopters 2 or 3 years ago. One of the first times they used it, they chased an armed man at night and followed him to a garage in an alley. They reported to the men on the ground that the guy pitched his gun in a field and was hiding, crouched down near a back corner of the garage. The officers on the ground kept telling the pilot he was wrong. The pilot responded, “man you are right next to him. I can see him moving”. Turned out, the guy was IN the garage crouched down against the wall. The camera could see his body heat.

        As soon as the building was secured the pilot went back to where the gun was pitched. It was still warm from the guy holding it. THe heat made the gun glow like a candle.

  • Mephisto

    You cant see inside a building with a thermal imaging camera. Not possible. Its not an X-ray device. You can find out where heat is escaping the building envelope but not how many folks are home. ACLU just proving that they are pillocks.

    • MikeTherHammer

      You’re just proving that you are a willing accomplice in the total takeover by government and the ensuing loss of individual liberty. Get the hell out of MY COUNTRY now, you socialist dirt-bag.

      • Mephisto

        Sorry for the statement Mike, didn’t know your were out of your meds today.

      • ML


    • Mephisto is also stupid

      Mephisto is as stupid as AAA and AAA’s friend



      • Jacob

        Hanoi John,

        Just HOW MUCH did you SUCK in your duties to get KICKED OUT OF VIETNAM in four months?

      • TRUTH
  • San Howard

    Thermal cameras can ONLY see inside of a home if the windows are open. They can not see through glass windows or walls period.

    • MikeTheHammer

      Oh, that makes it all better then! And they all sang:

      “Yes Barry loves me, yes Barry loves me.”
      “Yes Barry loves me, Big Brother tells me so.”

      • ME

        Mmmmm, Mmmmmm, Mmmmm. Obama

      • swiftcall

        A city tries to find thermal inefficiency, and finds out it’s cameras wreck rights, and suddenly Obama is a Kenyan. Tell b\me another good one, Birther-joke.

  • Hank Warren

    Government cameras peeping into our homes, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
    They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
    Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress.
    (Last link of Banned Book):


      Wow, where to begin…Hank, you obviously are one of the right wing nutjobs who lives hunkered down in his cellar surrounded by canned goods with guns and ammo aplenty just WAITIN’ for the ‘POCALYPSE!!!!

      Give me a break…

      Point #1- “They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages…” many of them belong in cages! Seeing as how many of them don’t even have a viable platform to stand on anyway.

      Point #2- “They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.” Do you REALLY need an assault rifle? I use one daily and they should only be used in the proplerly trained hands of the military and law enforcement. And before you say, I am a retired veteran and it is my right to own these guns…no, you gave up that right when you retired, you are no longer in the military. Thank you for your service, enjoy your retirement.

      Point #3- “They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers. Obviously they didn’t do something right when the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber both made it on to planes undetected. And don’t even start about 9-11. Or is it just that you are not secure in your manhood that you are worried about being molested. I am sure there is no threat there.

      Point #4- “They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.” They did not start any wars…they were asked to intercede, and if you chose to believe your aforementioned “protesters” then I see where your view is skewed.


  • sukit dry

    AmeriKa will be destroyed!

  • Davec

    This is one GIANT pack of lies, we dont need IR CAMERAS to see “heat loss” all we need is an IR thermometer ($26.00 at Harbor Freight)

    This “IR camera that can JUST HAPPEn to see people is actually being used for energy conservation” is a BALD FACED LIE. Its a cover story.

    They launch a cover story and fools believe it, become conditioned to it.

    Signed, Fmr Energy COnservation Engineer whos been there, measured that

    PS Idiots post:


    You cant see inside a building with a thermal imaging camera. Not possible.”

    Want me to show you where it IS possible? I met the INVENTOR of that very camera you say cant do that, in Ohio

    • Mephisto

      DO tell girlfriend. What is his name?

    • mcgd

      Thermal Cameras cannot see through glass windows.

      An IR thermometer reads only a spot. It doesn’t give you an image, so it wouldn’t be a good choice for the type of project at hand.

  • Max Van Peebles

    I hope they don’t catch me touching myself

    • Scottksmith

      Oh Max, I’m sorry to say that they WILL! The thermal image of your left hand moving rapidly up and down is ‘probable cause’, and when the camera catches that hot gob arching toward the ceiling … well you’re toast.

  • sherlock

    jzsmith and brett, you don’t care that the goverment can look in your home? Then all I can say is you deserve just what the goverment does to you and your family. You both must love the scanners at the airport? Don’t care about radiation. You must love your cell phone radiation. You both don’t think that the goverment is breaking the law? Were are the warrants to see what is in your home. Its called use your brains!

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    • ByteRider

      Because he wasn’t born here, dufus… everyone knows that. Let’s move on.

      • Teddy Kennedy's SEARCH+RESCUE

        Everyone knows that? Let’s move on?

        I’m NOT moving on, Genius.

      • JEPAXTON

        it’s okay ByteRider, eh doesn’t know where he was born either…

  • ra44mr2

    Well if you ever feel like someone is watching you, you wont be wrong.

  • Keno Colorado

    Thermal imaging does not see-through walls or windows. This is a dumb myth. We have been using thermal imaging for law enforcement since the early 1990’s and people who work in the storm window industry have been using it as a sales tool for almost as long. Come out on a cold day and shot an image of where your house is leaking heat. (Or the reverse in summer.)
    Anyone who questions this is watching to much scifi TV.

  • WillTell

    Yes, they do have thermal imaging cameras that can ‘see through walls’ of a house. The fabric of a tent’s wall is easier and 10′ of concrete is not doable to the best of my knowledge. But through the wall of a normal house? Yes.

  • scott

    Tin-Foil Florida VS. Riley
    Justice Brennan, joined by Marshall and Stevens, strongly believed that the plurality had misstated the issue, the burden of proof properly rests with the State and not with the individual defendant. The State quite clearly has not carried this burden

    # Gavenman, J. (1989). “Florida v. Riley: The Descent of Fourth Amendment Protections in Aerial Surveillance Cases”. Hastings Constitutional Law Quarterly 17: 725. ISSN 0094-5617.
    # Mayfield, Gayle J. (1990). “Florida v. Riley: The Beginning or the End of ‘Big Brother’?”. Criminal Justice Journal 12 (1): 53. ISSN 0145-4226

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  • Horice Sheet I Say

    Government spying on citizens grows a nibble at a time. Soon it will be like taxes, originally almost non-existant, now 50% to 70% of a persons wages considering state, local, income, property, sales, deathtax, etc. Go ahead and give up your constitutional rights if you want to live under a totalitarian government, kind of like what we have now.

    • Informed

      You know tax rates were higher in the 40s 50s and 60s, right? How do you think all of the great infrastructure projects were paid for after the war? Highways, bridges, paying down war debt. Then the tax breaks, hence the 14 trillion doar debt.

      • Tech Del

        Informed, you should be named Misinformed. The great infrastructure projects were paid for because entitlement programs were either self-supporting (Social Security) or non-existent prior to LBJ. Debt started to climb when politicians began spending over revenue as a matter of policy. The combined taxes referred to by Horice Sheet I Say take a much larger bite of tax payers’ income than ever in our history. Every time federal income taxes have been cut revenues have increased ala JFK, Reagan, Bush 43. Spending to buy votes is the problem.

      • Tom Jackson

        You know all of our economic competitors were physically destroyed by WWII right? Made it a little easier to tax at high rates when the U.S, was the only county left that could produce. The goverment could tax at those rates because we made most of the worlds income. I always get a kick out of the socialists reference to tax rates post WWII. Do you think it’s a coincidence that as the world rebuilt it’s productive capacity, tax rates came down? C’mon, if you’re “Informed”, you should at least know this much. You liberal rubes really must understand that the days of 40%+ federal income tax rates will not be coming back and your ability to loot from those of us that can compete is going to be severely constrained.

        Watch the entitlement reform debate closely. You lefties will get what you want with some additional tax revenue (very little), but in exchange you will receive a massive reductions in benefits. This will happen because it must happen. Your Dem representatives know this. They will continue their demonizing, but will go along all the same. Watch and learn.

  • jzsmith1965

    well according to the article its private contractors using the thermal cameras so again whats the issue


    Now you will have no choice, but to choose the mercury-filled, curly light -bulbs.

    The normal kind emit too much HEAT and “they” will know.

  • Stu

    jzsmith1965: The issue is that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy within your own home. Just because it’s a private contractor does not make it okay.

    Should random “private contractors” be able to go through your emails/phone records/bank statements/etc.???

  • Eric

    Oh yeah it’s for your safety…. Complete B.S.

  • ChileCat

    Great now they can watch Barney getting backdoor love from his “partner”.
    Make me puke!

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