ACTON (CBS) – The Pledge of Allegiance is becoming a sore subject in the Acton-Boxborough school district, all because of the words “under God.”

“Atheists and Humanists do not accept the notion of God,” says attorney David Niose.

An Acton family, who is atheist and chooses to remain anonymous, is suing the school district claiming they are discriminating against their children during the pledge. They want the words “under God” taken out.

WBZ-TV’s Paul Burton reports

Niose says, “Everyday these kids go to school and the pledge is recited and declaring that the nation is in fact under God and that marginalizes them.”

But according state law, schools are required to display the American flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance. But saying the pledge is strictly voluntary for students.

“Students have a right to not say it all, the entire pledge,” says Superintendent Stephen Mills. “I would be acting illegally if the kids didn’t say pledge of allegiance.”

Even though students are not required to say the pledge of allegiance the family that’s filing the complaint say their kids are being discriminated against because they are atheist.

“The plaintiffs are all for instilling patriotism,” says Niose. “They just wish to do so in a way that does not discriminate against them and their religious class.”

WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Doug Cope reports

Students have mixed feelings about the issue.

“I think they should keep it in because it’s been a part of our country for so long and taking it out is disrespectful,” said one student.

“If the student wants to skip the ‘under God’ line that’s fine,” says another student. “I don’t think it needs to go to court. I don’t think its that big of a deal”

A Superior Court judge is now taking the matter under consideration.

Comments (322)
  1. Paul says:

    Tell these people to GET A LIFE!!

    1. The Pope says:

      I know can you believe some people worship a myth? They couldn’t even give him a name, just plain “God” like he is some generic store brand God.

      1. Mort Caniff says:

        Ha ha, you said it, Pope. And why is he a male? Weird!

      2. Thorn says:

        “GOD” is too awesome to be categorized with a specific name. Humans simply cannot fathom his greatness.

      3. massman says:

        LOL. yes. he’s more than great. what a fantastic guy. Did he take a nap in the 1940’s while 6 million jews were exterminated?

      4. Jed Fred Ted Teddybearsworth says:

        And I facepalm whenever I see a fellow athest say such things. You want tolrance but spew intolerance towards a religion. I find nothing wrong with saying under God while I say the pledge, with it in my money, or anything. It is just a few scant words that does not label me or who I am. Be a real athiest and stop getting butt hurt over such trivial things as this is not shoving religion down one’s throat or outting the kids cause they refuse to say ‘Under God’

      5. ktjsmommy31 says:

        I am an atheist but I believe these people are doing a disservice to their children. I did not grow up atheist, my parents allowed me to go to several different churches and learn about many religions and told me when It came time to make such a decision the decision would be mine. I didn’t even know when I was little that my father was atheist. I too have decided to allow my children to explore religion and make such a decision for themselves.

      6. HillClimber says:

        , I have literally stood before God. Google “Metatron”, known in ancient Hebrew as the Voice of God and is the same entity to whom I speak and have conversations with both on this and on the other side of the great divide. The form of Metatron, should you need to know before you pass back to the spirit world, would be what can only be described as a “big, blue eye into which blue electricity flows.” Odd, perhaps, accurate, yes!

      7. Actually He does have a proper name. It’s Yaveh or as many people pronounce it, Yaweh.

      8. June says:


    2. Reality Check says:

      Screw these people its called tolerance, I hate gay marriage, but I tolerate it. Besides this is not a religious issue its part of our culture and how this country was founded, if you dont like it Acton Family I’ve got a one way ticket to Mexico for you, shoot I’ll even pay for it.

      1. alice says:

        I’ll help with donations to send them to Mexico. Count me in.

      2. John Schwendler says:

        These words were added to the Pledge during the Eisenhower administration in the mid-50’s. They have nothing to do with our country’s founding. That said, there was a time when we voted on what the majority wanted, through the ballot box. This practice of running to the lawyers to sue is shameful and un-American. I am getting real tired real quick of the few being heard and overruling the majority. Put this issue to a vote in the next local election and settled it in a democratic matter. Majority rules.

      3. Terri says:

        Actually “under God” was added in 1954, my mother remembers clearly the pledge without those words from school. The words actually stop the flow of it anyway. Remove “under God” and recite the pledge as it was originally written. No one is trying to say people can’t believe just that forcing others to sit through it day after day is wrong according to our founders.

      4. Kara Williams says:

        GO REALITY CHECK!!!!!!!!!!

      5. Jobear says:

        I agree. Read your history. This country was founded by very religious people. Don’t like it go somewhere else. I don’t see you complaining about the opening prayer at the Grammy’s.

      6. Tom says:

        @ Reality Check – I hate straight marriage, but my wife makes me tolerate it.

      7. LusciousDC says:

        THANK YOU! These stupid people act like they don’t have the right not to say it or tell your kids not to say it. Are they THAT STUPID? But instead they cause a big ruckus over something that has been engrained in the fabric of this country. They’re looking for their 15 mins. I just wonder how many of these non-believers will be calling God’s name when the end comes. JMO!

      8. b. meadows says:

        This country say,s ONE NATION UNDER GOD) if u dont like this then go to another country. Go where you are comfortable .

      9. Kubush says:

        This country was founded on the principle of separation of church and state, and then evangelicals hijacked our government in the 1950s and tried to put “God” on to everything such as our national currency and our official pledge. This is a case of correcting a wrong and if you don’t like it maybe it is you who should move to Mexico.

    3. Shayna says:

      I am an atheist & Humanist minister. We need to pick our battles & this is not one of them. While the history of ‘under god’ stems from the McCarthy era & the fear of Communism, it is what it is today. Unless a school demands the child to say the words ‘under god’, they can be taught to skip those words & say the pledge in its original form. That being said, if tradition is the point, the original version fits that bill.

      1. Jobear says:

        I agree. Thank you for your view. I wish more atheist would see it your way. Again, thank you.

      2. TSB8C says:

        A minister? How is that even possible? By its very definition, atheism is not a religion.

      3. Kubush says:

        Every single case that comes up in response to a separation of church and state issue, I see at least a handful of atheists that say “We need to pick our battles & this is not one of them.” When is this nonsense going to stop? All battles, big or small, that preserve equality and our rights, are important. Heck, it is “trivial” things such as this that give a pre-text to those religious politicians that want to push their religion onto our government even further.

    4. B says:

      I have an idea…. why don’t they just not say the “under god” part but pledge the rest? When did people become so sensitive??? Oh I think I remember, once people were allowed to start suing people for just about anything or suing big corporations for the coffee being too hot. People need to get over themselves. If you aren’t religious, don’t say “under god”. If you don’t want to say the pledge of allegiance, then get the hell out of my country you’re taking up space!

      Get a life, indeed!

      1. Samsons Mom says:

        Francis Bellamy was a baptist minister and when he wrote the Pledge he did not mention GOD. Hmmmm. How bout we revert it back to the original and intended form of pledging to the flag (nation) and just leave god out of it.

      2. Kubush says:

        You don’t own this country so you don’t have a right to order people out. The original pledge did not have god in it; it was put in during the red scare of the 1950s. Our SECULAR government is ideally supposed to represent people of ALL faiths including those that have none. A religious statement such as “under God” has no place in our official pledge.

    5. Michelle says:

      I am offended that these people want to leave out “Under God”. Have their kids stand outside while the rest of the students pledge the flag of the United States of America….

      1. Rob says:

        I’m offended you find it acceptable to violate the Constitution as long as it is something with which you agree.

      2. ktjsmommy31 says:

        Yes a great idea! Take school, which is already a social disaster for most children and make it better by having them excluded and kicked out into the hall in front of everyone else! It is not their decision, this is one made by their parents. They may grow up and decide atheism is not the route for them.

      3. Kubush says:

        Why does that offend you? Do you think that our national pledge that is supposed to represent all Americans should just reflect your own personal religious beliefs? That’s not very American of you.

    6. Dawn Evans-Gomez says:

      You don’t want to say it, don’t say it, why should 1% outweight what the other 99% want!

      1. Rob says:

        Because what the 99% want violates the Constitution.

        I doubt it is anywhere near 99% though.

    7. Sileste says:

      I’m with you. Do they honestly think that they are speaking for the entire school? The Pledge of Allegiance is great the way it is.

      1. Kubush says:

        Maybe we should change it to “under Allah”? Surely Muslim-Americans would like it that way! Or maybe “under Krishna”? Or how about “under nobody because God doesn’t exist”? Or maybe we just scratch that whole part and leave it as it was in its original form that did not have “under God” in it.

    8. BigGmanrainingboom says:

      I bet they teach evolution at that school, which would discriminate against the religious kids. End evolution theory in the classroom and I’ll support your no “under God” crusade. Mr. Noise. Family noAction… while we’re at it lets sub divide the entire country’s classrooms into little crusades and minorities and classes and equality motto’s and watch the unity disappear, once and for all. Twitless numbskull.

      1. Some Person says:

        Actually, it’s not discriminating. They’re teaching the BEST SUPPORTED THEORY. Also, notice the word “theory.” Creationism isn’t a theory because it’s never been proven. It’s a HYPOTHESIS. An idea unsupported by evidence. Evolution was a hypothesis at one point, but it’s been as near as makes no difference, proven to be completely correct. Should students be taught that this country was founded 10 million years ago by a flying cat that shoots lasers out of its eyes because someone thinks that? No. Sane schools teach what is actually correct, regardless of how many people are too brainwashed to understand it due to religious dogmas to believe it. 1 + 1 =/= 3, no matter how many people think it does.

        Now, your stupidity aside, I personally believe that we should revert the pledge to its original form. That being, the normal one WITHOUT “under God.” Strictly speaking, the school shouldn’t be allowed to lead the students in such a statement because it clearly is endorsing the Christian God. The first amendment clearly states that the government cannot endorse any religion. Having “under God” in the pledge of allegiance and forcing public schools to say it is breaking the first amendment. That should never be allowed, regardless of how many brainless people think otherwise.

        I find it disgusting how many people here are just insulting the family without anything to back them up. Most of them probably don’t even know what the family is arguing, or what the first amendment actually says. Most people don’t know that there are TWO parts to Freedom of Religion. The prohibition of restriction of free exercise of religion, and the prohibition of state endorsed religion. We aren’t a Christian nation. We’re a secular nation. Furthermore, the founding fathers were NOT very religious. Many of them were deists.

        I really would just like it if people would do their research before spreading the filth which comes from their half-developed brains.

    9. CJ says:

      Why are we catering to a small percentage of people? One family is “offended” and it is news? IF you dont like it or dont believe it DONT SAY IT! I am so tired ot the snall number of people that seem to get the most attention and the rest of us do what they want as not to OFFEND, I am OFFENDED that ONE FAMILY has this much power. Who are they? No one MAKES you say those words! If you dont believe it go to the country that believes the way that you do and leave the rest of us alone to worship how we choose and to say what we want. I dont like alot of things that people say and do but you know what that is what this country is based on, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech,. Just my thoughts

    10. Geode says:

      Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister and Mason, wrote the Pledge of Allegiance in 1892. He did NOT include the words “Under God”. Those words were added in the 1950s during the Cold War. If a Baptist minister felt no need to use “Under God” in his Pledge why should we? And note where those words were inserted. Original: “One Nation Indivisable” Revision: One Nation, Under God, Indivisable.” In the revised version “Under God” neatly separates “One Nation and Indivisable”.

    11. Mac says:

      Do not blame God for humanities killing, besides we are given that animal instict to kill, we just do it in the name of something we believe in and convince everyone that it was the right thing to do. And about that family, God and this country gave them the right to value their faith the way they want; however, it also gave that right to everyone else. Lastly, as always this country continues on the path of “I the people” and not on “We the people” or “divided we stand” and not on “united we stand”. I wonder why it was not a problem as they were growing up and know it is?

    12. JC says:

      The sad fact of the “anonymous” Acton” family who will not even stand up and identify themselves and verify their beliefs is that this country established a school system to only studty the bible. Obviously that history lesson was not absorbed by “anonymous'”. Their additional failure also to understand that, as the American Communist Party found out, when a person or persons attempt to overthrow the governemnt of the United States of America through subversive acts such as trying to remove “God” from our language, they now prejudice the other (8% of our population nwho do believe in a diety but have not yet stepped forward to eradicate the Atheists and Humanists in this country who have not the foggiest about how the hell we were formed. That very freedom we enjoy based upon the blood spilled by our own to preserve it was not done for a group to stand upon the very same platform fought for and declare “tear down the platform”. It was ourunding father’s desire to remove ourselves from the ungodly dictatorship of Egland who made the monarchs giods and allow a place to worship as we wished witholut fear of persecution. were the atheists in China, for example, and vocalized their beliefs as they have done here, they would be taken out in the street in mass and summarily shot. Education should be a broadening od ones knowledge about life, not a restriction based upon the same factors the “anonymous’ wish to impose upon the rest of the school.

      1. Kubush says:

        This country was founded on secular enlightenment era principles and some of the most influential founders were deists but above all secularists, which is why “God” is not mentioned in the Constitution (you know, that thing that actually laid the foundation of this country). Surely you can understand why this family chose to be anonymous. Just look at the hatred and vile bigotry directed at Jessica Alhquist.

        The “freedom” that people have fought for in and for this country is the freedom to believe as you wish which includes NONBELIEF, so why is it too much to ask for our government (you know, the thing that’s suppose to represent ALL of us) to remain neutral on the subject of religious belief?!?!?!?!

    13. Lisa says:

      I am an atheist and in school I skipped those words, but it still made me a target. Other students noticed and the most militant evangelicals would try to convert me, argue with me, and generally disparage me. I want “Under God” taken out so kids can live their lives! I have no problem with religions, but I do have a problem when it is imposed on me and marginalizes me.

  2. massman says:

    “Atheists and Humanists do not accept the notion of God,” says attorney David Niose.

    Thank you Mr. Niose. Get all religion out of school.

    1. Rebecca says:

      Exactly! Religion has NO place in schools unless they are private schools. It amazes me that the religious right that knows the 2nd Amendment by heart can’t even comprehend the FIRST Amendment.

      1. Connie says:

        Disagree Rebcca…I think learning religion is very important to understand not just one faith, but them all. Many world events are based on history and the belief or disbelief.

      2. Kevin F. Casey says:

        How about you Atheists go start your own private schools? Then you can teach your kids that Monkey have human babies & other Atheist Mythology

      3. massman says:

        Kevin – Do you have any idea how ignorant you and anyone else is to dispute evolution? Do you not understand that you, I, and everything else we see is made up of matter from stars which have exploded light years away? Or that our galaxy has over 100 billion stars, and our universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies? Our universe is just under 14 billion years old. Earth 4.5 billion years. Life 3 billion years. America, just over 200 years. The amount of time and intelligence put into these human findings by science, is truly amazing. Yet you and your religious minions want to Santorum our country with religious garbage from a 2000 year old book of fables. If you want to be stupid, that’s your choice. Visit your church. Keep religion out of schools. And for everyone claiming to just not say the words “under god”, I have an offer. No. What a ridiculous statement.

      4. Steve says:

        massman, who lit the fuse that set off the big bang?

      5. Kubush says:

        Steve, why do you assume it is a “who”?

    2. USAttorney says:

      This country was founded on the belief of God. The first amendment enables the right to practice whatever religion you so choose, even if that is no religion.The 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. No where does it say that religion shall have no place in schools, government offices, workplaces…etc. Lawsuits regarding the seperation of church and state are invalid under the U.S. Constitution, therefore the U.S. Supreme court should find that the words ‘Under God” do not infringe on anyone’s religious freedom. Plain and simple, they are historic, if you don’t want to say them, dont.

      1. InternetAttorneysAreBad says:

        Under God was not in the original pledge, the bill amending the pledge was not passed into law until June 14, 1954. When they signed it into law they broke the rule “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” that you just quoted. Not all religions believe in “God”

      2. AWZ says:

        EXACTLY! We all have Constitutional Rights and the right to freely practice ANY religion, albeit within the laws of each State, freely. Just because YOUR child doesn’t believe in God doesn’t mean that everyone else who does has to have their Constitutional Rights denied. Also, it is only a mention, they are NOT praying to God or practicing any religion they are declaring their commitment to their Country in front of everyone even God should there be one.
        Secondly, some of you are wrong…this Country was founded on TOLERANCE not religion! This is one of the few Countries that actually has no direct association with a particular religion as its main Religion. Why is that?! Because we were founded on TOLERANCE and through our Constitutional Rights everyone is allowed to practice whatever religion they want and all are welcome here.
        If the Atheists and Humanists don’t like what the Pledge of Allegiance says…then write a new one and submit it for consideration!!!!
        STOP trying to force YOUR belief on the rest of us by making us conform to your standard of interpretation!

      3. Pilot says:

        They are not historical. They were added by anti-communists in the early 50’s. Just like the “In God we trust” on money.

      4. Paul says:

        I totally agree with “B” and USAttorney. Nobody is forcing their kids to say “under God”. And if they don’t want them saying the pledge let them move to some other country. This is America, we love our flag and respect it and those who serve and protect us that it represents! Stop trying to sue everyone and everything you don’t like or understand. God Bless America!

      5. George Bush says:

        AWZ are you that delusional?
        You say our country was founded on tolerance???


        Native Americans were slaughtered
        Non-Christians were often killed
        Gays were chopped into pieces
        “Witches” were drown or burned
        Blacks were slaved and lynched
        Women would be beaten if they talked back to men or wanted most any sort of rights.
        America was founded on intolerance is more correct.

      6. Kubush says:

        Wrong. The U.S. government cannot in anyway endorse a particular religious viewpoint whether it be federal, state or local. Jefferson described the intent and purpose of the 1st Amendment which is where we get the phrase “wall of separation of church and state”. So to say that it is invalid under our Constitution is complete ignorant nonsense. Sorry, the “historic” argument does not override the Constitution.

        @AWZ You are mistaken. You do not have a Constitutional right to impose your religious views onto OUR government.

        “If the Atheists and Humanists don’t like what the Pledge of Allegiance says…then write a new one and submit it for consideration!!!!”
        LOL. Um, how about the ORIGINAL pledge that did not have “under God” in it? How is that for a consideration?

        “STOP trying to force YOUR belief on the rest of us by making us conform to your standard of interpretation!”

        Huh? That’s exactly what YOU’RE trying to do with forcing OUR national pledge to include a declaration of a belief in a God. Seriously, take your own advice and stop being a hypocrite!

    3. Kevin F. Casey says:

      Ok we can start with atheism…

      1. J Guz says:

        Hey George Bush, why don’t you know your history before you open your mouth. Have you read the Declaration of Independence? The intolerances of the home country at that time is one of the major reason the revolutionary war broke out. Slavery, and most of the hate type items you just listed were under British rule, not American. After the war, there was still a long battle with “stragglers” that still believed the old way, and there still are, maybe you are one of them. Read the Declaration, maybe it will remind you why people are proud to be an American.

    4. audrey elliott says:

      but they sure as hell spend the money which on it says “IN GOD WE TRUST” Talk about a friggen hippocrit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Tony says:

        THANK YOU!

      2. grinstope says:

        Actually, I don’t use money. I pay everything with my checkcard.

      3. Johnny C says:

        They should have to give up thier money too. Oh wait….that might hurt THEM somehow. Wheres Al Sharpton when you need a bigmouth dummy

      4. Kubush says:

        Do they have a choice? “God” on our currency is just as unconstitutional as “god” in our national pledge. To call them hypocrite for using money, is just ‘friggin’ retarded.

  3. Tazman says:

    I’m an Atheist and I think the family should STFU!!

    1. al4624 says:

      RIGHT!!! i don’t believe in god either but this is just effing ridiculous….this family is just plain sue happy….no need to take money away from the school system (since they already don’t have enough money as is) and put it in their pockets over something so silly. The kids can just plain old leave that part out if they don’t believe…this family should be ashamed of themselves cause they are pathetic excuses for human beings…

      1. AWZ says:

        Everyone wants their 15 minutes of FAME. They are getting it. What they should be doing is HELPING their fellow “like” (atheist & humanists) less fortunate than them with the money they will spend trying to sue to get this changed! Be famed for doing something positive! I guess when you don’t believe in God only YOU are important in this life (for some)! What a fine example you are setting for others…you should be ashamed of yourselves!

    2. Jay says:

      @ Tazmam, good for you. Go Tazman….you tell them. :)

    3. Michael R. Burhans says:

      I’m an ordained minister and I think they are well within their rights. When they altered the text of the Pledge in 1954 it was done SPECIFICALLY to belittle and marginalize atheists and agnostics. Why should then the religious majority be surprised or offended when it works and those whom were targeted by this object?

      1. Mort Caniff says:

        Thank you, Mr. Burhans. Everyone forgets that the current pledge isn’t the original pledge.

      2. Jenny St Peter says:

        I agree with Mr. Burhans… This has the original Pledge.

      3. Bernadine Gillette says:

        Thank you for saying it first! I was ready to get on the soap box, lol.

      4. John Schwendler says:

        Well within their rights to do what? Avoid putting the issue on the local ballot and letting all voting citizens express their opinion via the vote? Majority rule scares people with their kind of mindset. They’d rather run to the lawyers. I’m really tired of all the intolerance. You want to say the Pledge or not fine. You want to say all the words or not, fine. This requires a lawsuit? How ignorant, and socially rude to their neighbors.

      5. Guest says:

        Well sir,I may no longer believe in a god,but you give me faith that Intelligent life exists on the Internet

      6. grinstope says:

        Funny though that “Under God” wasn’t put into the pledge by vote of the public, so why a public vote to take it out? Take it out as it was put in – arbitrarily.

      7. BigGmanrainingboom says:

        Right, and leave it alone… it is at least something the gov’t did that worked.

    4. Maya says:

      So what?

      This isn’t about taking offense. This is about constitutional principles. Clearly, you have no appreciation for these ideas. So why are you wasting our time with your pointless comment?

    5. Kubush says:

      You’re an idiot.

  4. THANK GOD says:

    Atheists my Arse! You’ll be on both knees when your on your death bed begging for the almighty one! You live in a free country where generally majority is the rule. I don’t like Obama,nor did I vote for him. Hmmmm, maybe I should sue someone who did, or MAYBE I SHOULD MOVE IF I DONT FING LIKE IT!!!! God help my kids in this One nation under God in this wonderful world that has become this!!!

    1. Jay says:


    2. Michael R. Burhans says:

      We live in a constitutional Republic. where the rule of the majority is constrained by the Constitution in certain cases. One of these cases is when ti comes to the mixing of Church and State. In 1954 the religious majority unjustly altered the text of the Pledge of allegiance in order to offend atheists and agnostics and communists. Well, that violates the Constitution. This family has done nothing more than petition their government via the courts for redress as the Constitution outlines is their right/. Do you hate our Constitution? Only someone who hates our Constitution could object to someone standing by it.

      1. FireGuyFrank says:

        I’d love to know how you are an ordained minister. If you were, you would be pointing out how many of our founding fathers and early leaders — such as George Washington and Abraham Lincoln — believed in God. Moreover, they believed that basic Christian ideals made the nation great. No one was going to ESTABLISH an official religion in the US. The words “under God” do NOT establish any form of religion. Had the Pledge been altered to say, “under Jesus Christ”, then you are correct. If it were to say, “under Allah”, then you are right. Both of those forms point to a specific religious doctrine.

        Finally, these people who are suing are, once again, suing the wrong entity. The US Congress passed the law, the President of the United States signed the law; and thus far, the US Supreme Court has not overturned it.

        These people either need to sue in federal court or go away.

      2. Maya says:

        The personal religious beliefs of the Founders are completely irrelevant. Those beliefs were not inserted into the Constitution PRECISELY BECAUSE the law was not meant to be based upon those beliefs. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend.

      3. WaterBoy says:


        They also believed in owning slaves and having extramarital sex.

    3. Pilot says:

      You sure aren’t a Christian thats a fact! And the majority does not rule when it violates other people’s rights. There is a lot more in the Constitution. Read it!

  5. Jay says:

    @ Tazman…good for you! Go Tazman!

    1. Crazy Jay says:

      Crazy Jay, you already said that. Now take your meds and go watch Matlock.

  6. Dick Chaney says:

    God is just a made up entity, the Church needed to control people and get their money by making up a God to scare people, sounds like the Republican party in general, dumb scared people that are easy to control by making up threats.

    When I was a kid I would just say one nation under Me.

  7. George Bush says:

    Having 5 and 6 year old pledge allegiance to a flag is perverted in its own way. I though people were against government indoctrination of children? Very Soviet Empirish thing to make kids that young pledge allegiance.

    1. Cimby says:

      This thought has occured to me when I hear my 4 year old granddaughter repeat the pledge as learned in preschool. I would prefer that Patriotism and Religion be taught at home rather than in schools.

  8. Jay says:

    @ Crazy Jay…that’s right, I am sure your daughters are right beside them . :)

  9. Jays Nursing home supervisor says:

    I don’t have any daughters, so yours will have to find other women to hook up with.

    Is your diaper full again? You sound grouchy.

  10. unknown says:

    This is a joke. Only the elementary schools say the pledge not the high school. A majority of the students believe in God. This isn’t fair to us. The pledge is something you have to leave alone. Even IF were not allowed to say ‘ under God’ I and many others will still say it.

    1. Think kids says:

      Elementary school kids believe in what ever parents tell them to believe in, nearly without exception.

      The bible says to “kill all non believers and their animals” which as quoted refers to all non jews.
      Is our country based on the same principles we attack the radical Muslims for?

      1. Hubert says:

        Hey, Think kids why don’t you spell ‘whatever’ right. That’s a step in the right direction!

      2. Thanks Hubert says:

        Hubert is that all you got? pathetic, it just shows that I am right and you have to nitpick something as minor as that. Whatever is a modern contraction, barely an error at all to use what ever. But hey, if you are losing a discussion go with a minor spelling error, you are a winner!

    2. Michael R. Burhans says:

      Why did Christians not think it was something that should be left alone when they changed the text in 1954 to ADD Under God ti it which it never before contained? The majority is constrained by the Constitution in some areas as to what it can impose on the minority. religious freedom is one of those constraints.

    3. Maya says:

      What a majority of students believe is irrelevant. Interpretation of the Constitution is not subject to popular interpretation. The First Amendment prohibits the government from endorsing religion. End of story.

      The people in Congress who inserted the words “under God” out of misguided hysteria in the 1950’s did not leave the Pledge alone. Why should we?

      1. Kevin F. Casey says:

        Really is that all it states? Cite please where it states that the government shall only be an Atheist government?

      2. guest says:

        ‘ What a majority of students believe is irrelevant”
        Excuse me, we have a say!!! WHY would I even bother to consider your point of view when you are incapable to see the other side of the story

  11. Thomas Jefferson says:

    It’s only two words, and it’s under the guidelines of the constitution. Why is it such a big deal if we get rid of them?

    1. Thom shouldknow says:

      Those two words were only added during the McCarthy era as part of the “red scare” just another way for the government to create fear and control people.

  12. Betty says:

    A family in Acton wants “under God” taken out of the pledge of allegiance in their kids school, (because it is unconstitutional) because they are raising their kids as atheists, but they won’t give their names and are suing under the names John and Jane Doe and have taking the school system to court to the tune of $10,000.00 so far. Seriously..I am starting to think that the constitution only protects the stupid..just sayin’

    1. The Pope says:

      The school did not have to spend 10k of taxpayers money to hold the status quo to make kids pledge allagiance to a generic God did they?

    2. PJR says:

      LOL. So true! This has nothing to do with God. It’s about control — people who want to tell everyone else how to live. Their children can omit the phrase “under God” or not say the pledge at all and no one would notice or care. Their argument is probably that they don’t want their children to feel different — Well, they’re raising their kids to be different! And by making this big fuss they’re only calling attention to their differences.

  13. John A says:

    This kind of crap makes my hair hurt. Don’t we have more important things to concern ourselves with? If they are offended and feel that their little darlings are being compromised by havung to hear the words ‘Under God” thats tough. Get a Life and realize that you a far from main stream with your radical thought process. Perhaps you could focus on the words from Gone with the Wind….Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn………

    1. Kubush says:

      You should ask instead: Congress didn’t have better things to do when they added “under God” to our Pledge? Oh how convenient. Just because those words agree with your beliefs, you don’t give a damn that those words are there, unconstitutional and offend others, who would have thought? Well, you know what, when it is declared unconstitutional and you start whining when it gets removed, you know what I’m going to say to you?…..”Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn…..”

  14. Jay d. Weirdo says:

    Great cohessive argument there Jay, ever go to school yourself? And stop looking at little children sicko.

  15. hypocrite Jay says:

    Jay wants my 3 and 5 year old kids to go “EFF” themselves. Under God Jay? you sound like a sick old man that is going to burn in hell.

  16. student says:

    I actually go to this school, and in the HS and Jr High we pretty much never say the pledge of allegiance. And in the elementary school, when you do say it, you’re allowed to not say it.. I remember i didn’t say it several times, mostly just because I could, and nobody judged me or said anything.

  17. Jay says:

    @ hypocrite Jay….you have a nice life big guy. Wonder how many lawsuits you have under your belt…also wonder how many tours of duty and medals you have. Semper-Fi Mr. America…In GOD WE TRUST. Maybe, just maybe one of my many, well educated offspring nurses, and doctor will be in the nursing home you reside in one day. This is not about God whacko, it is about sue happy idiots. One can tell you are one of the sharpest knives in the drawer by reading your responses. Go tuck your kids in, and I will pray that they turn out not to be “sue happy” career individuals.

    1. Drooling Jay says:

      Jay, you write like a child. I never have sued anybody. Maybe you should sue your defective God for making you so simple minded. I have a masters degree and have no need to be a grunt for failed wars like Vietnam and Iraq, but I did register for the draft. By the way my adopted nephew is a 6-3″ Marine and he admits I can still beat him in a fight, you are just old, weak, feeble minded and impotent. Maybe you are just angry because of that? Good luck with your hillbilly offspring Jethro!

      1. Jay says:

        Drooling, thank you very much. Maybe you should take some life lessons from your nephew…I bet he is a wonderful, young man….you, not so much! Yeehawww…going to ask the nurses for some vittles. Thanks for the good idea. Oh, and as for your “big degree” whoop dee doo, I am so impressed…hold me down. Hope you go places with that thar degree yungen’. Go to bed, it’s past your bedtime. You know what they say…he who assumes is an ASS! nighty, nighty tuff guy!

  18. under god says:

    There is no way they will win.

    1. One Nation under Clapton says:

      Just the 1st ammendment in their corner.

      1. just a thought... says:

        But they are suing on the basis of discrimination. As far as I can tell, everyone is given the same option, therefore no discrimination has occurred. I am not sure this is a 1st amendment issue since their right to say or not say it hasn’t been denied.

  19. Wendy Goulet Letourneau says:

    OK…Everyone has their own beliefs and I respect that. I do not think that this is the place to argue and be vulgar with one another. I think that if a family does not want their child to say the Pledge each day in school that is their choice and the school should honor that….but for the people that do want to have their children recite the Pledege each day they should be given equal respect. It’s really about being Patriotic. These days I believe that people are more against each other rather than pulling together to work through things. It’s just very disappointing to see a family sue a school over something that’s been in place for quite some time. We are ONE NATION…and should continue to act like it.

    1. massman says:

      As an atheist, I find it absolutely insulting to associate a superstition with honoring our country. The words “under god” were not implemented until 1954. Here’s the original, I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
      Just keep religion out of schools. Why is that so difficult for you christians to understand?

      1. Wendy Goulet Letourneau says:

        Yes, I am aware that it wasn’t put in until 1954 and I did read up on this before I posted my comment. As you respond to my post you stated…”you christians” I did not state above whether I was Christian or not. People these days are so focused on bashing each other and what religion if any is right is which is wrong. And I’m not saying that is what you are doing. I’m not trying to start a fight but really my point is that I don’t believe sueing a school system for something that’s been fought against before is the way to try and resolve an issue. I think there are bigger issues out there these days in schools that need more attention.

      2. NikW says:

        Why just not say the words instead.

      3. Gerorge Bush says:

        Why not just say the words???

        Would you say that if the teacher was a Muslim and wanted your kids to say “One Nation Under Allah”?

    2. anoynomous says:

      I agree, reading all of these comments is sad. Everyone needs to learn a thing or two about respect

      1. Wendy S. says:

        @ Wendy – agreed. These morons are suing a school system for a State Law. That’s like suing my broker for an SEC regulation that I don’t like! Or how about we sue Shaw’s or Big Y for the E Coli tainted meat they got from a farm having a recall. It’s just all dumb. At least sue the right people, Jane & John Doe. Oops, I put Jane 1st. It’s proper to put John 1st. Someone wanna sue me?? lol

    3. Marylee D. Gilchrist says:

      Thank you. Civil discourse is important. I agree that it is tiring for the few to dictate to the majority. Maybe these children could block their ears!!

  20. Dawn Kaplan says:

    On November 12, 2010, in a unanimous decision,[33] the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston affirmed a ruling by a New Hampshire lower federal court which found that the pledge’s reference to God doesn’t violate students’ rights.[34] A United States Supreme Court appeal of this decision was denied on June 13, 2011.[35][36]

    1. Maya says:

      Not exactly. Read the opinion.

  21. Dawn Kaplan says:

    this makes me so angry we have our service men and women fighting for our country and its freedom , the same freedom that gives these idiots the right to complain if you don’t like the pledge to our flag pack up your useless selves and move to Afghanistan or Iraq or any other middle eastern country and see how that works for you!!!!!!! and by the way if you are so into your belief that this infringes on you then stand up for your belief and stop hiding behind fake names John and Jane Doe !!!!!

    1. petem says:

      you might want to THINK about what you wrote before posting it.
      You said ‘we have our service men and women fighting for our country and its freedom , the same freedom that gives these idiots the right to complain’ and then immediately condemned people for USING the freedoms our soldiers are fighting for. You even go so far as to tell them to leave and go to the places we have been imposing our righteous will on, thinking I suppose that ‘that’ll show ’em!’
      All that show is your gross ignorance and complete misunderstanding of what this country stands for.
      I’m sad for you. You are so deluded by the right wing-nuts that you can’t see how profoundly dumb that stance is.

    2. Ron Reagan says:

      When since possibly WW2 have the servicemen ever fought for our freedom or freedom of speach? And what in the heck does that have to do with making kids say they believe in God?

    3. Samsons Mom says:

      This isnt about protesting pledging to the flag or nation it is about the words under god that were added to the original pledge in the 50’s/

  22. Dawn Kaplan says:

    On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District.[30][31] In a 2–1 decision, the appellate court ruled that the words were of a “ceremonial and patriotic nature” and did not constitute an establishment of religion.[30] Judge Stephen Reinhardt dissented, writing that “the state-directed, teacher-led daily recitation in public schools of the amended ‘under God’ version of the Pledge of Allegiance… violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.”[32]

  23. tim says:

    the have the right to remain anonamous, they also have the right to remain silent. $10,000 dollars taken from thier kids education. Do the kids even really give a care? Probably not…

  24. DDE says:

    As an Agnostic, I still believe in our Pledge of Allegiance… Who is to say what, or who’s, God is being referenced it the Pledge? Believe in our country, and ourselves first….then worry about the wording that you are against.

    1. Kubush says:

      How about referencing to no god at all since patriotism has nothing to do with religion!?

  25. Brenda says:

    Come on people with all the things in the world going on with the economy the way it is and crime going higher and higher in most places,. One family wants hope taken away from the people that have hope. Really they are being petty. There are much bigger issues in the world here then “Under god” to worry about. Also why force their beliefs on others. I said it when I went to school and it did not hurt me or any of my friends. People wake up and do not worry about the small things worry about the big picture.

    1. Kubush says:

      You say that the family wants to take away hope and than say it is just a “small thing”. Well, if it’s such a small thing, then why not just remove it from the official pledge? Funny how that reasoning only works one way. How is asking the pledge to be belief neutral forcing their beliefs on to others???

  26. massman says:

    Dawn Kaplan – “and by the way if you are so into your belief that this infringes on you then stand up for your belief and stop hiding behind fake names John and Jane Doe !!!!!”
    I’m sure they do it because of god-fearing nutcases like yourself. Let’s get one thing straight Dawn, there is no god. There’s no idiot in the sky waving his pom poms for the likes of Tim Tebow. All religion does is promote hate and ignorance. You hate these people that you don’t even know, because they don’t want religion in their kids school. Something that doesn’t even exist, and you, along with others, want their names printed. For what? So you can harass them like the idiots did to Jessica Ahlquist? Oh, and those soldiers are fighting for all our our rights to not have religion forced upon us by government. Here is a good place to move if you want government sanctioned religion.

    1. Mort Caniff says:

      You are so right, massman. A few years ago I made the mistake of taking their challenge and I used my real name. I received death threats and actual bullets in the mail. My spouse and I feared for our children. They also contacted my employer and said very vulgar lies about me. I had to contact the police to help me, and I had to have a few embarrassing talks with my employer before it was all sorted out. I will never give away any information about myself to them again. Christians are hateful people and they should be ashamed of themselves for teaching their lies to little children.

      1. Ridiculous says:

        So Christians are hateful people? What do you call radical Muslims (i.e. Terrorists)? ANYONE is capable of unreasonable hate, it’s time for EVERYONE to be tolerant of others’ beliefs without stomping all over those beliefs. Not everyone believes as you do, if you don’t like it do NOT participate. Time for people to build a bridge and get over it!

      2. Ridiculous says:

        So Christians are hateful people? What do you call radical Muslims (i.e. Terrorists)? ANYONE is capable of unreasonable hate, it’s time for EVERYONE to be tolerant of others’ beliefs without stomping all over those beliefs. Not everyone believes as you do, if you don’t like it do NOT participate. Time for people to build a bridge and get over it!

  27. Amy Yarin says:

    That’s my school, and I just don’t say “god” when saying the pledge of allegiance. I think taking it out of one school is the beginning of taking it out of the nation. Although I do not think it is even close to the biggest issues facing the U.S. today, it does have to be changed at some point, and better sooner than later.

  28. Peggy Dempsey says:

    This Country’s currency states IN GOD WE TRUST do they object to cash too?? I get so tired of hearing about this kind of drivel. How about spending your time, energy and $$ towards something productive. Help some returning soldiers who put their lives on the line to defend those very words,, Just sayin

    1. Wendy Goulet Letourneau says:

      Good point!

      1. massman says:

        actually, her point made no sense. two christian peas, in a pod.

    2. massman says:

      Those soldiers put their lives on the line to defend the right to keep religion out of government. There are plenty of catholic schools to send your kids to, if religion is your thing. Keep it out of public schools. Just sayin.

      1. Summer says:

        the line “under God” is OPTIONAL. you do not have to say it. it is your choice to. That is what they fight for. Your freedom to choose. NOT the right to keep religion out of the goverment. what next you people wanting people to hide if they have a religion if they run for congress or presidency? “live and let live”

      2. massmansucks says:

        School is not the gov’t, tard

    3. Mort Caniff says:

      Yes, we do object to the word god being on our currency. And I do support our troops. Just sayin’.

      1. LB says:

        the word GOD has been on this country’s currency forever…I suggest you quit using money since you are against it..but it ain’t going away….

      2. Mort Caniff says:

        @ LB: We have no choice but to use our currency. Another example of religion being crammed down our throats.

        A difference between atheists and christians is that atheists would never insist on money saying ‘Trust In Yourself, Not An Imaginary God’. We would simply prefer it to say United States of America.

        ‘In God We Trust’ will be removed from our currency within our lifetime.

      3. Jesus says:

        @dorkcanif – God luvs u, Happy Saint Valentine’s Day!

    4. Maya says:

      What is more productive than fighting to keep the Constitution from being violated by the whims of the majority?

      Members of the Armed Forces are sworn to defend the Constitution. God is not in the Constitution.

    5. Gloria says:

      ABSOLUTELY!!! That is my biggest complaint. I don’t see any of these Atheists giving their money back when they get paid or refusing to spend cash because it says “In God We Trust.” I have NEVER once heard a single person complain about currency…

      1. Mort Caniff says:

        We have no choice but to use our currency, but I always draw a line through IGWT with a chisel tipped Sharpie. It’s fun!

        Not only will IGWT be removed from our currency in our lifetime, it will also be a crime to take children to church. That’s child abuse.

      2. What a maroon says:

        @Dorkcaniff – you have a choice, tard, leave here and go somewhere where you won’t be subjected to “God” on your currency.

  29. Cheryll Capodilupo says:

    Dan, Leave GOD in the pledge!!!! Always been there always should be.

    1. massman says:

      Actually, it hasn’t always been there Cheryll with two LL’s. Thanks for shouting your ignorance though.

    2. Samsons Mom says:

      As a resident on Mount Morris, NY, birthplace of Francis Bellamy, I can assure you that the original pledge did not have the words Under God in it. Mr Bellamy was a Baptist Minister and he had the common sense to separate church and state.

  30. mike says:

    Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution. The First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” A better argument can be made that if they remove the “under God” phrase they are prohibiting the free exercise of religion of others. The key is that the school makes it voluntary, therefore it is legal and removing it would be an infringment on the majority’s rights.

    1. Maya says:

      The fact that the actual words aren’t in the text is of little importance. There is no right to privacy in the text of the Constitution, either. Should the federal government just disregard that right, too?

      Constitutional interpretation exists for a reason: the text is extremely open-ended. Thomas Jefferson disagreed with you, and he ACTUALLY KNEW the people who drafted the Bill of Rights. What are YOUR qualifications?

      The right to freedom of religion does not imply a right to impose your beliefs on others by demanding that the government sanction your beliefs. Unless, of course, a central tenet of your religion is that the government must tell you to believe in God.

  31. sue says:

    “under God” was added in the 1950s. I love my country, I say the Pledge in school because that’s my workplace. And I don’t say “under God” because I feel it’s not required to believe in God in order to be a patriot.

  32. sloopjohnB2 says:

    This suit is an example of why this country is going to hell in a hand basket. Oops! I hope I haven’t offended anybody by using the word hell. It may mean another suit tying up the court system.

    1. Maya says:

      Yeah, the First Amendment is just destroying this country. How DARE people stand up for their rights?

  33. Austin says:

    Nobody knows what happens after death. Religious nuts and athiests both go hand in hand. None of us know what happens.

  34. Steven says:

    First -I am an extremely patriotic person who feels that America and its history and its values are very wonderful thing. I am also a person who feels that the pledge of allegiance is important and should be voiced by all children in American public schools to start each school day as a means to recognize and give thanks to society and country. Also as a type of personal promise to be instilled in each individual to uphold “peace and Justice for all” as a personal mantra for the rest of their lives
    As it has been previously mentioned a number of times already in the comments above the original Pledge of allegiance did not include “under God.” It was written in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942 where it lasted untarnished until the Cristian religious movement soiled it by adding “under god” in 1954. The separation of church and state is one of the most important things that has to be upheld by the citizens of America. Freedom of religion is an important American building block as well but it also means freedom “from” religion for millions of Atheists. School is where you gain knowledge and critical thinking. Critical thinking helps you see the obvious falseness of religion. Religion necessitates one to have “faith” and put aside common sense, scientific evidence and fact. The base issue is that “under god” should be again taken out of the pledge of allegiance by the courts so it is out of all our schools. And for that matter out of all politics and anything done by the “state.” If you cant see that we need 100% separation of church and state its just because your religion is opaque and blinding and is in the way of you seeing what is best for all. Why isnt the family making their names public in this case?? its because history constantly proves that religious fanatics act irrationally and violently in opressing their belifs on others – be they muslum, cristian jew etc etc,
    Religion is a prison for your mind! When you escape from religion, you don’t think you’re enlightened… you know you are!

  35. CAROL says:


    1. Maya says:

      What in the world are you talking about? You should go take your medications, then come back.

    2. Kira says:

      Isn’t the United States of America considered the ‘land of the free’? So in your first statement you consider that statement dull and void because people not believing in what you consider American do not have the freedom to live in the country and practice whatever beliefs they may have. I’m guessing the family wants more netural language used because there are pecentages of the population now that do not believe in god or have different religious values. Not to mention there is a problem with trying to hold older documents up to be patriotic because national values can change. As for the less violence, what do you mean by less violence are you talking about murders, imflammatory speech, opposition to the majority? Not everything from the past is as pure and untainted as people might think.

    3. George Bush says:

      Carol move out of the country if don’t support the 1st ammendment.

      By the way our founding fathers did not want you or any women to vote or have equal rights.

  36. massman says:

    Steven – I could not have said it better myself. Keep religion out of our schools. Too bad so many people are ignorant.

    1. blackbear1 says:

      Try being more careful about who you call ignorant!!

      1. massman says:

        Why? I didn’t single anyone out. Religious people in general are ignorant blackbear. Have you read their history book, the bible? Seriously.

  37. John Carter says:

    I don’t believe in God but I respect those that do. I honestly it should be said the way it was originally written in 1892.

    “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

    Who are we to change what the writer wrote. We don’t do that for a novelist, why would we feel we are entitled to change it.

  38. M.B. says:

    I think everyone here is a little ignorant here. We all said the pledge when we were in school. No matter how it is written or was written, it is part of the daily start to some school and it helps promote history. Isn’t it true that no matter what religion you are that there is only ONE GOD. So no matter what religion you have, it’s not going to matter. Its only words. believe or not believe in those words. Parents teach our children to believe in what we believe, from going to church or temple from the first days of our lives. If we say these words in school or not what does it matter. It is what people have been saying for years. What is it going to change if it comes out. Many people have tried to take it out by going to court, a family in Brookline, Mass tried too and it didn’t work. tell the kids just not to say it. It is that easy. The schools need the money to help make the kids learn, they need to find a better way to make the teachers have better attitudes when it comes to dealing with the children. maybe more money like this would help. Instead, people focus on stupid things like this and not the real life challenges of our school systems. We need stronger teachers, who can actually stand up to these kids and teach them how to read, write and spell. We need a school system that doesn’t let people in that will hurt our children. We don’t need people trying to sue it for stupid words that have been there for years. Get over it and look at the big picture.

    1. Maya says:

      Actually, that’s not true at all. MANY religions are polytheistic, and some sects are even atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example).

      This is about the government telling us that one religious belief is superior to another. That is a violation of the Constitution. Everything else is irrelevant.

      If the Pledge were supposed to “promote history,” then kids would be saying the Pledge as it was ORIGINALLY WRITTEN: “one Nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” End of sentence.

    2. steve says:

      Obviously you are not up on “religions” – the single religion that was tought to you seems to have boxed in your thought process. There are plenty of religions who do not believe in “one” god. You should get some more education about religions and do some traveling to religious sites around the world. It could open your mind a bit more. You are of one religion that was taught to you by those around you. If you grew up in Nepal you would be Buddhist, if you grew up in Saudi Arabia you would be muslum. With religion you are what you were taught and that doesnt make your religion better or worse tham any other. Your personal religion is just a result of what you have been exposed to and what you have accepted to be true in your eyes. Unless of course you are claiming you woke up one day and were instilled overnight by a god or gods with a new view of whats real, etc etc like the founder of the Mormon religion Or possibly you feel you or others are posessed by million year old alien spirits like the scientologists. Almost all religious stories are folklore created out of the time and happenings of the community where the writer lived and need to be seen as that. In your comment it seems you also feel that “history” is important in how we should act and that the pledge has said “under god” since 1954 and it should stay.. Well how much history is important?? Coloumbus came to America in 1492.. Thats 520 yrs of european influnced history where America was dominated by numerous religious belifs with christianity and a “one god” belif as the front runner. Well why shouldn’t we backtrack and base the American religious foundations on the origional Americans religion?? The American indians who were first here 16 to 13,000 years ago. Their history trumps the 520 yrs of the european americans and they believed in many gods, sun god, rain god fire/lightning god, earthquake god. etc… Comparing their religion to cristianity where the “one ” god is mischevious one moment, loving the next then damming and dastardly the next … their religion seems to make more sense and the christian one god sounds more like a schizophrenic.

      Please anyone of any religion or even if you are non religious get more broad information, read both sides of as many religions as you can to get some knoledge and not just be a mental slave to your local prechers teachings. Build your own opinion. Also be realistic.. If everyone in the world at once prays for the pen on your desk to move one inch… it wont be moving. But if you push it with your little finger it moves easily. Therefore the work by one person is more powerful than the prayers of billions.

      One more thing -In reviewing all the back and forth in this blog- if you cant speak or write in a calm fashion supporting your ideas and points most likely what you have to say isn’t worth listening to and people know that so dont expect anyone to pay you any attention.

  39. bp says:

    These people need a life and are cowards for not using their real names. If they don’t like the way we say the Pledge then move to a country that doesn’t.

    1. Mort Caniff says:

      You use your real name first.

  40. dan says:

    these are persons that enjoy cuasing trouble

  41. FireGuyFrank says:

    For those who aren’t sure, recall the beginning of the very founding document of this Nation — the Declaration of Indepence. Note that it states, “…all Men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights…”

    Do you see “Creator”? Thomas Jefferson et al chose not to say God, but did refer to a Creator. To whom else could they have been referring?

    1. george Bush says:

      And by all People they meant of course male white land owners.

      Women were considered inferior by the founding fathers and black people were slaves and sub humans.

      Many of the founding fathers also believed in witchcraft.

      The bible says “kill all non-believers and their animals”

      The founding fathers and the bible were both wrong quite often, that is why we have ammendments and changes in thinking as society evolves.

      1. Mort Caniff says:

        Excellent, george! I hadn’t thought about the white male land owner aspect before. Thank you.

        I’d also like to point out to FireGuyFrank that the Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution. The Constitution is what our country is based upon and there is not one mention of a god (or a creator) in it.

    2. Kubush says:

      The Constitution is our founding document and the law of the land, not the declaration which was written with poetic intent.

  42. Jill says:

    Why didn’t this reporter include even a little bit of background on this topic, which has come up many times before? I knew “under God” hadn’t always been in the pledge, but I had to read the comments section to find out when it had been inserted. Lame!

  43. fishdc says:

    Get a life and at least identify yourselves if you are going to make such a stink. Please do not remove this phrase from the pledge. So sad that people do not want to keep the traditions that make this country so great. They should move to Iran perhaps. If you don’t want to say “under God” simply do not say it. Everyone else who wants to say it has the right to do so.

  44. Denise says:

    I don’t understand why the Doe’s feel they have the right to force their “Non-belief” on the rest of us. I’m sure they spend their $$ that says in God we Trust – why do they feel they have the right to suppress someone elses freedom of speach – just because they don’t believe something. Well I don’t believe that anyone should be paid a salary that exceeds a million dollars a year – it makes me feel bad about myself and my pitance that the government is still trying to take more from me than those million/billionaires! Maybe I could sue??? What will it change – nothing! Maybe the Aethiests should create their own school where they can be taught whatever they believe in or not! However, this whole thing amuses me the most because they “THE DOE’S” want thier non-beliefs enforced but don’t have the courage to say it to the world. Maybe Home school your kids and then you can teach them whatever you want…

  45. RQ says:

    How would people feel if a person representing the public school asked your children to stand every day and asked them to recite a paragraph that included the words “NO Gods exist and religion is a fairy tale,” but they said your kids can leave that part out if they want so it is OK? Adding “Under God” to the pledge in the 1950’s (about the same time “In God We Trust” became the official National Motto and added to money, is the government endorsing the view that a supernatural being exists that has power over us. This is a religious view, and the government has no place to tell us what religious views to hold. Under God is a relic of the McCarthy Era. One of the most shameful periods in American History. Time to change the pledge back to the original and keep religion out of government. Individuals have the right to hold whatever religious view they want, and the government should stay out of it.

  46. RQ says:

    Denise, forcing non-belief would be if they asked the school to also make children recite that No god exists. That is not what they are doing. They are asking that government remain neutral in regards to religious views.

  47. Molly says:

    It is just TIME to start standing up to these people who just want to tell everyone else how to live!!!!!!! Stand up and stop taking this crap from these people. Let the MAJORITY RULE.

    1. George Bush says:

      Molly you are completley wrong, these people want people NOT to be told how to live, you are supporting the governments right to force a view on our children.

    2. Mort Caniff says:

      What will you do, Molly, when the majority of U.S. citizens are atheists? We’re gaining rapidly on you, but we won’t force our non-belief on you.

  48. D. Raymond says:

    I haven’t had belief in god since I was in the third grade at a catholic school. I am now 56 years old and proudly pledge allegiance to our flag (including the words ‘under god’). When I was in school, we said it every day from kindergarten through public high school.. My duahgters recited it and now my grand daughters recite it in school every day. We are proud of the flag of the United States of Amerca.

    1. Maya says:

      It sounds like you are being a hypocrite. Why are you proud of that?

    2. Mort Caniff says:

      D. Raymond, you are a Judas.

  49. Molly says:

    Remember these people should not have an issue with it since they do not have a religion, so what do they care if other people do???? “They do not want people to discriminate against them and their religious class”….. What religious class??
    Time to stand up to the political correctness that has gone too far in this country. Christmas out of schools, Christmas trees out of public buildings, desserts out of schools so obese kids dont have to feel bad, God out of everything… Is this the way everyone saw our great country going… Liberals have just keep pushing the envelope and using the courts to get their way!!!! Time to fight back and have our country the way it is meant to be and that is the MAJORITY RULE.

    1. Maya says:

      The religion of anyone is irrelevant. No is trying to stop anyone from believing in God. They simply don’t want the government endorsing belief in God, as that is a violation of the Constitution. Are you really so dense that you cannot understand this simple concept?

      Majority rule is mob rule. The Founders knew this, which is why they insisted on separation of powers and a system of checks and balances. That is why they put the SOLE power to interpret the Constitution in judicial branch. The opinion of the majority is not relevant.

    2. Heather says: are right. They want to belittle and deny us our GOD given beliefs and values. Yet..they are the loudest to scream when they feel their right to free choice is being threatened. If we continue to allow them to take control over such matters..we shall have no freedoms or control at all!

  50. response says:

    They shouldn’t be suing for money, since money is printed with the words
    “In God We Trust”.

    1. Tammy says:

      LOL – Good one!

    2. Kubush says:

      Using one violation of the Constitution to justify another is just plain stupid.

  51. jt says:

    i hate to say this but if you don’t belive in under god get out of this country because it was from the start of this country it was put in so it STAYS

    1. Weee says:

      Jt, under God wasn’t added until the 1950’s.. Let alone, this country wasn’t always about God..

  52. Megan says:

    You can take the words Under God out of the pledge all you want, but it doesn’t remove GOD from ANYTHING, he will always be there for his people. If you have such an issue with it, don’t say the words during the pledge nobody is forcing you to say Under God….This land was created and fathered by God & will continue to be for all eternity, nothing some athiest does is going to change that. Hope you find Jesus before you dont have the option.

  53. guest says:

    every time this crops up, i have to laugh. ppl, please. think about your own elementary school days. when you were standing there saying the pledge with the rest of your class, how many of you, at 6, 7, 8 years old, were meditating on the deep religious/political implications of having the phrase “under god” in the pledge? how many of you simply recited it by rote because it was the way the day started, without putting any thought whatsoever into what any of the actual words meant? it’s the pledge, you said it to honor your country, a little daily affirmation of being an american, what the heck does that actually mean to a kid? these ppl that protest that their kids rights’ are being somehow trampled, does anyone REALLY believe that those kids give a hoot one way or the other? or do you believe, rather, that like most healthy, energetic kids, while they mouth the words, their minds are skittering hither and yon, since that part of the day isn’t studying or testing, and it’s far more important to think about whether they will play kickball during recess, and omg, does john know jane has a crush on him!? and gee, i hope i got baloney for lunch today, i am so tired of PB&J… come on guys, the kids don’t care. this thing they say about how it’s unjust for atheist kids to have to say it is bull, it’s a front for the atheist parents to raise a stink and advance their non-believer ideas. so don’t believe in god, who the heck cares? i can guarantee you, their own children, who’s rights are apparently so woefully under attack, don’t care if they believe either. they only want to know if anyone is giving out skittles for a valentine’s day treat.

  54. Milt says:

    If this family is so offended by the phrase “under God” then why is he suing for money when all of our monetary units (dollar bills) have the phrase “in God we trust”.. Where is his outrage about the “God” appearing on money. I guess money can temper his outrage

  55. Thomas True says:

    The Pledge was written without the divisive “under God” in it and oddly enough it was the Knights of Columbus that sought to add this divisive phrase during the McCarthyism era of American history. The irony isn’t lost on me that “under god” is added right before “indivisible” which can only mean one thing, our nation should, according to the Pledge, be united under a single god.

    This clearly is divisive.

  56. rmsbl4 says:

    Send them to Iran/Saudi Arabia and let them protest about the Quaran and see how long it before they are jailed.

  57. Jay says:

    Typical aeithists trying to push their beliefs on everyone and cash in on some free money.

    1. Kubush says:

      Asking for equal treatment is “pushing their beliefs”??? Seriously? Ugh, hypocritical religious idiot.

  58. Denise says:

    Can someone tell me what an Aethiest does care about? Other than themselves, their wants and needs? Maybe the word GOD makes their eyes bleed thats why it offends them when it’s printed or said … everywhere except on the almighty dollar! That’s next – if they have one of their own that cares enough about it to sue the world for them!

    Maybe the Good Ol’ USA will do what Germany did and devalue every printed dollar that has In God we Trust on it… because they’ll make new bills for the Aethiests! then all our $$ wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s printed on… would they be happy then? No God – No money… Start over everyone!

    You believe what you want – open a business and decorate it the way you want – make people take their shoes off at the door if you want – but if you don’t own it or run it … maybe the Majority should have the say how things are done! Actually our government doesn’t listen to the Majority of what people want so why should anyone else – if you don’t like it Sue!!!!! LOL…

    1. Linann M Singh says:

      If I told you my eyes bleed,would you do something about it, or do the christian thing,and slam me some more?

  59. Denise says:

    And before everyone jumps all over me – I didn’t mean Germanys money said “In God we Trust”!

  60. Michael says:

    Seperation of church and state. I say we desperately need to remove “Under God” from all things political, then make certian EVERY student is taught patriotism and love for our nation. I am christian, and I believe it is up to ME to teach my child religion, not school. If you want your school to say “Under God” in the oath, then send them to a Christian school. IMO

  61. Michael C. says:

    Well we will not have to worry about any of this on Dec 21, 2012..Thank God for the Mayans…LOL


    I feel as though the Nation as a whole should be considered when a few members of society claim they are being discriminated against. If the term “Under God” is removed, then they are violating my rights, which I would guess far exceed their numbers. As a citizen of this great Nation and one who proudly service this Nation for 30 years in the Navy, I was raised to respect the Nation through the Pledge of Allegiance, Saluting our Flag, and to do honorable deeds for the Nation. If you don’t want to honor God, then just skip that part but be a proud citizen.

    1. bluemalak says:

      Ah, but these poor people would have to live and let live and be tolerant, which is apparently against their nature. Suing is what the modern athiest seems to be most proficient at, so I assume they’re really, really bored.

      1. Kubush says:

        Why can’t you be tolerant of polytheists and atheists? I guess that’s against your nature.

    2. Kubush says:

      Having your religious views reflected in official government doctrines such as the pledge is NOT a right!

  63. bluemalak says:

    It’s already apparent the kids do not have to recite the pledge, but these sue-happy people feel the need to file a suit for discrimination. I’m guessing one or both of the parents are unemployed or they’d be more discriminate with their time than wasting it filing frivilous lawsuits.

  64. Samsons Mom says:

    I am a resident of Mount Morris, NY, birthplace of Francis Bellamy, author of the Pledge Of Allegiance and who, by the way, was a baptist minister. Revert the Pledge back to its original form….”I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to* the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all” .

  65. Heather says:

    Eventually everyone will face God Our Father. They will then be enlightened. God made us all (believe it or not for it is your choice). Noone has the right to take the free choice away from those of us who believe! Look to the seas, the mountains, the heavens (infinity..with no apparent end). Look to the smallest creatures all made by the hand of God. I believe that God loves us all (even the non-believers). Some day…they will feel the loving embrace of God (like no other love they have ever felt). They will feel the presence of God and they will rejoice in HIS presence. It is sad to think that they deny themselves the peace and comfort of welcoming HIM into their daily lives. Pray for them.

    1. Linann M Singh says:

      You tell me it’s my choice to believe, then tell me it does not matter because it only matters what you believe. When I look at the sea, mountains and trees, I see Nature. If you realy believe God did all this, then why does Nature get all the blame when the weather is bad.

    2. AWZ says:

      WRONG…..those who are aware of him and deny him willingly will be cast down into the hellfire. They will never feel the warmth of his gracious paradise and it’s rewards. We will be their rejoicing…and watching them with theri envious sorrowful looks in their faces as they stand before God and their body parts speak of how they denied God his honor and they will be judge then accordingly.

      1. Silly Bible says:

        LOL AWZ, Santa is coming to town too…

    3. Mort Caniff says:

      Look to the infinite heavens? Infinite space was always there. Why does it have to have been “created” by a god? I believe it was always there.

      You believe that your god loves all of us? Then why does he allow babies to be raped and murdered? Talk about tough love…

      I would rather spend an eternity in a hell place than even one second with a god who ignores the screams of babies being raped and murdered.

  66. ed b says:

    just more weirdos, that dont have a life. i say get rid of the easter bunny before the kids become afraid of him, eating them

  67. mark says:

    hasn’t anybody read the 1st amendment: where it says congress shall make no law. so these special people don’t have a leg to stand on, get over it

    1. Kubush says:

      Yeah, so since CONGRESS changed our official national pledge to include “under God” that would give them a leg to stand on, get over it.

  68. Doris Czajkowski says:

    The Acton family and their lawyer need to get out of this country where they believe in allah not God. I for one will help them pack. “In God We Trust” pays for your childrens education the food you put in your mouth, clothes on your backs, cars that you drive, etc. Unless you do not use cash for those things. Fool. I should sue them for making me sick.

    1. Linann M Singh says:

      It’s not “In God we trust” that pays, it’s the money it’s on. I can’t walk into a store with a piece of paper that has “in god we trust” on it and buy lunch.

    2. Amanda Sartin says:

      I bet you would win the law suit too…That is what people like this have helped our country become morally.

    3. tsalnew says:

      Doris – really? A Allah – get out? Last I checked we are a free country and can say and believe anything we want. I’ll have to check to see where it was changed to read that as long as you believe what Doris approves you have to leave this country

  69. HP says:

    Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion

    1. Kubush says:

      Actually, freedom OF religion includes freedom FROM religion. Unless you believe that people should be forced to believe in God? In that case, you are living in the wrong country.

  70. Caterwaulin says:

    Everyone has the right to say the pledge as it is written, or don’t. But to sue over it?? That’s ridiculous. Remove everything about us that makes us individuals. It’s beautiful that your kids are asking questions of you. So, teach them how you believe. In God we trust is a choice. You don’t, that’s your choice, but you don’t have the right to choose for me. You can’t please everyone, no matter what you do, no matter what you stand for, someone else stands for something different. Accept those differences and move on! If you don’t believe in God, great. I do, so don’t take away my right to believe by suing for your right not to. Anymore, it’s “Be American, SUE”, and it’s usually over something stupid.

  71. rockysfan says:

    Just another way for the fundamentalists in this country to shove religion down your throat. Those words “under God”, did not exist in the original pledge. Those words were added by the Communist fearing Right during the McCarthy era. Plain and simple history here folks. Learn it!

  72. Amanda Sartin says:

    Please…..PLEASE!!!! Stop, everyone, with all this “I’m offended because I don’t agree” bull. It’s just plain stupid. You don’t agree with something? Get over it. You don’t like something? Move on. No one will always see eye to eye. But that doesn’t mean you have to make a bg stink about EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME! Grow Up!

    1. bluemalak says:

      Ditto! Well said.

  73. GOD says:

    REALLY give me a break. This is a free country. Stop this line of crap that it offends me you are adults you went to school here didn’t you did you complain then NO!! Now this is an issue REALLY! I find all this talk about god in prayer at a school in RI and now the pledge of Allegiance because we say under God. So to me you are looking for attention. The School Prayer in RI this has been up for 50 years now this girl has an issue with it not for her it in case it offended someone else. Now this chuckle head has the nerve to say it offendeds them because it says under god and for how mnay years has the pledge of allegiance been said in school. NOW IT IS AN ISSUE REALLY. So when you went to school in this country it was not a problem or did you even go to school in this country. I will like to go to court and file a lawsuit because you offending my right to say the pledge of alligiance the way our founding fathers had written it. in ending GET OVER IT YOUR JUST LOOKING FOR ATTENTION

  74. softballchick says:

    It is your children’s GOD given right not to say the pledge every morning when they begin the school day. If you don’t like OUR pledge then go back to wherever you came from. You find it offensive that your children say the pledge with “under GOD” in it, but I find it offensive that you want to take “under GOD” out of our pledge and away from my child. I assume your children are at least teenagers given the picture of the high school sign above so, have you ever thought to ask them how they feel about it? Why not let them speak for themselves? They might believe differently then you do, and just haven’t said so because they’re scared to. Nobody is forcing them to say anything..

  75. Jack 63 says:

    It’s people like them that screwed up Christmas and Easter! Check thier wallets for US currency, if they have any they are hypocrites, since every bit of it has “In God We Trust” printed on it.

  76. im4abj says:

    Hmmmm i remember growing up the pledge was never voluntary if you didn’t do you got a detention and sent down to the disciplinarians and got lectured by them. Im not for changing it cause then we would have to chance currency and on and on but hey atleast the kids have a choice here.

  77. biggyz says:

    how about all the familys that dont mind the pledge?one family can dictate what happens in school?get a life,youve had your 15 min of fame.

  78. Linda Pires says:

    Doesn’t the money they are spending in legal fees say “In God We Trust”. Just sayin…
    Why would you keep money in your home.

    1. George Bush says:

      So two wrongs make a right? Nice little kid logic. Maybe they will challenge In God we trust next. Again that was added during the communist scare McCarthy era.

  79. Al says:

    SO, BECAUSE IT OFFENDS YOU, NOBODY CAN HAVE IT? OK, YOUR HEAD OFFENDS ME, SO LETS REMOVE THAT!!!!As it turns out, I’m an atheist too, but this country was founded on the premise of religious freedom for ALL, not just the loudest WHINERS!!!

  80. Leslie says:

    I get so disgusted with people who think they have the right to change everything that has been there for a very long time just to get some attention. If you don’t like it, don’t say it. Stop taking away every one elses’ rights to suit your own agenda.

  81. Ron says:

    These people need to get a life… do they have nothing better to do???

  82. tsalnew says:

    Yes the words were added later and no the pledge of allegiance didn’t have anything to do with our country’s founding. But it honors one of the main symbols of our country. It’s the symbol everyone rallied around on September 11, 2001, not to mention countless other times. Do we rally because we feel it represents God – or any other form of religion? Of course we do not. No one is forcing anyone to say the words – so just do not say them.

    Where does it stop? Do we take In God We Trust out of everything? Do we do away with God Bless America? I hope not because to me it is right up there with the National Anthem – again for love of country and nothing to do with religion. How about the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

    Good grief, don’t we have far greater issues in this country to worry about?

  83. Denise says:

    Linann M Singh why are you assuming I’m a Christian? If you’re an athiest tell me why the word GOD so offends you that you think it should be removed from everything for your Athiest benefit? Why should the Athiests of the world get their way about the word GOD when all it is is a word to you? Are there any other words that offend you that the world should change so your Non-religious group (and I don’t believe every Athiest is on this soap box) isn’t offended! I don’t believe in what the KKK stands for but they exist and have every right to believe what they believe – but for some reason the Athiests as of late are sue happy over any religious issue – so because they don’t believe in any religon NOBODY ELSE should be able to see or say what they believe? Talk about cramming your views down the throat of others! But that’s just my .02

  84. lt says:

    Given the comments above, I’m surprised nobody has filed suit to remove the word “indivisible” either. What a crock!

    1. Rob says:

      Your comment makes absolutley no sense.

  85. Luke says:

    If you don’t like it don’tlisten. But don’t infringe on my rights!

    1. Rob says:

      Wow, this has to be one of the stupider comments.

  86. Luke says:

    To all athiests: Don’t tread on me” !

  87. Troll says:

    Maybe one… or all of you should kill yourselves and find out what God thinks. Then get back to us on one of those “Ghost Hunter” shows. Could clear up so many problems with this simple solution.

  88. Russell Benson says:

    I say then we vote as a COUNTRY about this and maybe the phrase “In God We Trust” on our currency/coins. Then we decide as a nation what the nation wants. I would vote to keep both phrases. When it passes, then this and any other Acton or American/United States family can just shut up about it or move to another Country.

    So are the kids really atheists or the parents? I figure its the parents.

    1. tsalnew says:

      Ruseell Benson- excellent idea As far as the kids, I hope the parents will give the children the opportunity to decide on their own. It’s not looking promising though.

    2. massman says:

      Russell – Children don’ become atheists. They become religious through false teachings. How do you teach atheism? Man created god and religion. When my kids ask why someone would believe in a god, my answer is, they’re uneducated.

      1. Russell says:

        And when my kids and Jr. High Sunday school kids ask the same question, I tell them so we can have life after death. To each his own but I’ll take answer #2.

    3. Rob says:

      Russell, so, based on your suggestion you believe we should disregard the Constitution, correct? You are willing to give up your Constitutional rights for this? Wow, you people really are sheep.

      1. Russell Benson says:

        Thanks for being an a$$. I was waiting for someone to act like one today and congrats you’re it. I am stating my opinion and that is all. If you don’t like it that is fine but keep your negative comments to yourself. If people don’t like something about this country, there are channels in which one can try and make a change. I do, however believe that we should honor what this country stands for and what the early Americans really wanted for this country, therefore we should keep Under God in the Pledge and any other “GOD” reference on money, etc. I don’t believe one family has the power to make anybody do anything and while I know there are others that would agree with this family, I think the majority of Americans would keep things the way they are.

  89. 1stackmack says:

    boy ,we haven’t had this many comments since conversation nation ended…l myself like the rest of my family are atheist.however the difference with me and this particular family.l believe in freedom of religion,no mater what religion .l’ll keep my mouth shut about my atheism because l know that most of the country is religious.l think in this case the family needs to shut up about it..all for now,keep your stick on the ice..

    1. tsalnew says:

      Hey 1stackmack – how are you???? And are you back at the new place for the car night this summer?? Come on over to Keller – it’s a whole lot friendlier there.

  90. Jim Dandey says:

    While removal of the words is an admirable cause (one which I happen to agree with, by the way), it’s not the school’s place to remove the words any more than it’s OK for them to rewrite the Star Spangled Banner. Removal of the words is federal jurisdiction. Besides, the kids don’t have to say the “under God” part if they don’t want to; I don’t say it…

  91. Pray to Allah Traitors says:

    One nation under Allah, it is just words, why won’t your kids say it if the government ask them too? You are traitors if you don’t pray to Allah if the government asks you to, right kids?

  92. Numbnuts says:

    Have the mystery family quit using US currency?

  93. Katie Christopherson says:

    I’m a true Christian, however, people have different beliefs. Because someone is against their kids eating pizza, should we not serve it? No, because this is America and we all have choices. If you don’t want to say “Under God” then don’t say it. It’s not discrimination at all. In fact when I was a kid you just said the pledge because you were told to, and half of the class just mumbled it. Do you really think kids care and is it really going to affect their lives that much if they do or don’t say it. Let’s put our energy into something that really matters to our children’s futures.

  94. Christian American says:

    Please leave my country NOW!!!!!!!!!

    1. Rob says:

      How about you leave my country, now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( I used more exclamation marks so I win)

  95. DEB says:

    I find it immensly comical that these people have such feelings over the words “under God”, yet they are not disturbed enough to make themselves known. If you, or your kids have a problem with it….DON’T SAY IT!!!!!.
    Maybe people don’t want to deal with you aetheistic A**ES….but we’re not going to sue anyone!!!! GET A LIFE

  96. TN Lady says:

    Funny how atheists protest something so strongly that they don’t even believe exits. I think you protest too much!

  97. Jacob W. says:

    I just want to know why these “people” haven’t sued the United States of America for printing money that states “In God We Trust”. If they don’t want anything to do with God then why don’t they give up there American freedoms and American money that offends them and move somewhere else!!!

  98. Missy J says:

    How sad what our world is coming to. It’s the Pledge of Allegiance. It is what it is. This is America, and if you don’t like it here or what we stand for then by ALL means…go somewhere else.

    1. Rob says:

      A little ignorant aren’t you.

  99. john says:

    Who honestly does not believe in carbon dating, fossil records and geology?? Evolution can be proven, the aspect of god cannot.

  100. t. says:

    I’m not religious, and even so, I don’t think it’s appropriate to make everyone else remove God from everything. Even though it’s not my thing, it’s not hurting me by being there. I don’t see why some people have to take it to an extreme. Get over yourselves. It’s okay to be exposed to things that you don’t necessarily agree with. That’s life.

  101. Paul A. says:

    Acton family can leave the United States!

    1. Rob says:

      How very un-American of you.

  102. shorty says:

    Maddeline Murray O’Hare is in a barrel somewhere. I thought with her gone ( I didn’t do it) this attitude would stop.

  103. SPC hudson says:

    Why should we change something that is not broken. Trying to take religion out of everything will be the demise of the usa. The moment we get rid of religion is the moment we start becoming a country based on satan or devil

    1. Rob says:

      There is no such thing as Satan or the devil, quit being superstitious.

  104. Zinger says:

    If any Athiests are offended by US currency you many send it to me!

  105. john smith says:

    and this is why I dont carry a gun..

  106. matt says:

    this familey will not say their name what COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Rob says:

      Probably because religious nuts will threaten their lives and vandalize their property. Religious nuts are some of the most hypocritical fools around.

  107. sophist022751 says:

    It seems to serve a purpose for children to learn and recite the pledge of allegiance. As an adult though I no longer do it. I am not hostage to the beliefs of my childhood nor am I bound by mouthed words to adhere to any specific set of someone else’s beliefs.

    I doubt any harm will come to the children in the story as a result of their “marginalization.” That sounds like what passes for libertarian intellectualism. But what do I know? A little marginalization never hurt anyone for long.

  108. paul1163 says:

    Remove “Under God”? Uh, NO! I may not be very religious but I am spiritual. I dont care if you believe in God, Allah, Yahweh, a bottle of Jack Daniels or a pile of sticks and mud. The God that the phrase is refering to being united under a higher power as YOU understand it; your SUV, your bike, yourself or one of the big 3 religions. Isn’t great to live in the United States where you have the freedom to choose what to believe in?

    1. Kubush says:

      Not everyone believes in a higher power. We are not united under SUVs, or bikes, or anything else other than our Constitution.

  109. anon says:

    How would you christians feel if it said Under Vishnu

  110. lawman says:

    You all do realize that the Pledge was written by the owner of a flag manufacturing company as a way to boast sales of his product. It was originally nothing more that a marketing tool.

  111. Lisa S. says:

    The pledge was originally written as part of a magazine advertising campaign to sell more flags. The flag maker figured if they could create this cool patriotic tradition of pledging the flag every morning in schools, they could sell a flag to every single school in America. So it’s not like the pledge itself has some noble history. It was a marketing gimmick. Just a really, really successful one.

  112. Sandra says:

    If they feel so stongly about this, then why are they anonymous? If they are truley offended and not just looking to sue (Is money involved?), they should stand up for their rights and reveal themselves!!!

    1. Rob says:

      My guess is fear for their and their children’s safety from religious nut jobs.

  113. Mary Sullivan says:

    With the current state of the economy, this is a complete waste of the school district’s money. The children of this family are not forced to say the pledge. These parents should work on their children’s self esteem and individualism, teaching them that their beliefs are in the minority, and that is fine, and how to handle it. And did they ever go to a school committee meeting, and let their view be known? Of course not. They can’t even include their names in the lawsuit. That’s a good lesson for your children – make a stand but for god’s sake, don’t let them know who you are. Oops, guess I shouldn’t have brought god into it.

    1. Rob says:

      It’s probably out of fear for their safety they excluded their identity. No one is more dangerous than the religious.

  114. michelle says:

    Tell this family that this nation was founded on the right to practice one’s beliefs freely. Even though they don’t like it, if its that offensive to them, then have them move to Iran – I’m sure they’ll be welcomed with open arms! (sarcasm intended fully)

    1. Rob says:

      The First Amendment also prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, which is what occurred to have “under god” and “in god we trust” added to the Pledge and our currency.

    2. Kubush says:

      You do understand that the right to practice one’s beliefs freely does not include the right to force your beliefs onto our government, right?

  115. sky says:

    Do these people claiming that this is part of our heritage realize that under god was placed in the pledge around the 1950’s not the beginning of time!

  116. Aldo Rae says:

    “I think they should keep it in because it’s been a part of our country for so long and taking it out is disrespectful,” said one student
    It’s only in there because people in the Republican party under Eisenhower and
    Nixon (1954) wanted it there to appeal to the “religious right”. It wasn’t in the
    pledge when I first learned it (1946), and to this day I don’t include it when I, a
    USAF vet (Viet Nam) say it. And I will NEVER include it because it was put there
    for political reasons….

    1. Walker says:

      I agree with you:

      “Under God” was NOT part of the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. Adding those words wrecked the original pledge. The pledge was much smoother to say without the insertion of these words. I know—I was in grade school when the change was made. I did not like it then, and I do not like it now. My reasons Have NOTHING to do with my belief in the Good Lord above. I am not an atheist. The Pledge of Allegiance was changed because of some right wing NUTS in washington like Drunkard Joe McCarthy.

  117. Jerry garcia says:

    I suppose they could always Homeschool their children so only they get to brainwash them. Nah, that would be too easy.

  118. Kubush says:

    So Christians force their beliefs onto others by putting “under God” and “in God we trust” on our pledge and currency, among other ways, and then protest that they are offended when people try to enforce the 1st Amendment and return our government to a religious neutral position, claiming that they are being discriminated against! Seriously?!?

  119. guest says:

    so many ppl throwing the 1st amendment around. the 1st amendment covers a lot of things, actually, i assume what everyone is ranting about is the bit that says federal and state governments are prohibited from “establishing an official religion, or from favoring or disfavoring one view of religion over another.” SO.. exactly which religion is the government favoring or establishing by inserting the word “god” in the pledge or, for those that want to take it to ridiculous lengths, putting it on $$? catholics believe in God. baptists, protestants, lutherans. which one of these is my government telling me i must adhere to? which one does the government favor? christians splintered into all these factions, which is the one that we are having “shoved down our throats”? Zoroastrianism is a monotheistic religion, is it that one? it does say “god”, not “gods”. rastafarianism? i could actually get behind that one if the government started actively promoting it ,lol. this has cropped up and been shot down before. why? 3 main things: the pledge itself is secular overall; it DOES NOT endorse, promote, or establish any ONE particular religion, it doesn’t say “under the god of the pope in rome” or “under allah” or “under L. Ron Hubbard”; saying the pledge with the words “under god” DOES NOT constitute an excessive amount of government interaction with religion. justice souter hit it on the head when he said “government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion.” by the same token, government cannot prefer irreligion to religion. when we talk about freedom of speech, that other part of the 1st amendment that ppl are yelling about, it is true that, for the most part, it means we can say what we want (when i say for the most part, that’s a whole other argument about what kind of speech constitutes “clear and present danger, etc”). it ALSO means that we cannot be forced to say what we do not want to. AND it means that we, as citizens, cannot be forced by our fellow countrymen to say or not say anything or something. these children have the option to not include the phrase “under god” when saying the pledge, in fact, they have the option to not say the pledge at all. the question that really needs to be addressed is whether the school, or a particular teacher, has informed the children of their right to say it in whole, in part, or not at all. if it can be proven that these children have been forced or coerced into saying it with the “under god” left in, or been denied the right to abstain from saying it at all, then the parents would have a valid legal case for sure. as it stands, the whole thing is pretty much moot, i think any reasoning person realized by the time they finished reading the article that these ppl had found themselves an ambulance chaser who is looking to make a name for himself somehow by creating a tempest in a teapot. the state law already says that saying the pledge is voluntary. no one is having any rights denied. the children are not being “marginalized” by having to hear other children say “under god”. they are not being singled out and shoved to the side by their unwillingness to say the pledge in part or in full. they have been given the same right to make a choice as to what they want to do as any other child in the classroom. there is no discrimination here. i suspect that these parents are so uncomfortable with the idea that their children may or may not hear or say the words “under god” because they don’t want to or can’t explain why some ppl believe while they themselves don’t. whatever it is they DO believe, if they cannot convey that in a sensible, understandable manner to their own children, that is not the fault of the school, the government, or the pledge of allegiance. rather than making such a stink, why not explain the history of the pledge itself? if the children are too young to grasp the historical implications of the insertion of that phrase, it’s not likely they will understand religious belief systems, or lack thereof, either. ultimately, what a child learns about religion or belief in a greater power (or none or many or a feminine deity!) should come first from parents. instilling your children with a belief system should not only begin once a child reaches school age, where they WILL be exposed to a variety of OTHER belief systems, by simple proximity to OTHER PEOPLE. the pledge is less likely to promote a particular religion than a classmate who goes to church regularly. what do we do, make a law that children cannot discuss their respective religious beliefs with their classmates, for fear they would be “shoving it down the throats” of others and end up converting their classmates? after all, a public school is a government building, we can’t have our government allowing the establishment of a religion. oops, that pesky 1st amendment also has that freedom of speech thing going on. what is really troubling about it is that so many ppl seem to think that children are incapable of making the choice for themselves. are our children stupid? even if they just don’t say the pledge because they have that option, and could care less or don’t know anything about religion, they still have made the choice, they have the right to make that choice. five will get you ten that a fair amount of kids don’t say it for the simple reason that they know THEY DON’T HAVE TO. they are exercising their freedom of speech. what a novel idea, the 1st amendment not only applying to adults.

  120. Ben says:

    Why do so many people take great pride in showing their stupidity by pretending to be intelligent? They present their empty-headedness as if it were a badge of honor. If anyone doesn’t believe in God, let them have their opinion. But please do not force your side of the argument down our collective throat.
    Just because someone believes there is a God doesn’t mean they’re a Neanderthal or some other such primitive. Likewise, not believing in God does not qualify one for candidacy in Mensa.
    There are some whelps who try to belittle those of us who do believe in God. Name calling and the like do not represent a cogent stance.

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