there will one day be another civil war. I was born in California when it was like Texas: and respected freedom. In three years, I am leaving California, to move to a free state.

The only thing you Christians have been denied is the right o shove your Religion and your Religious beliefs down the throats of all other Americans.

The U.S. Constitution gives all American the right to be FREE FROM RELIGION and the Christian Al Quaida like you!

Its called discrimination. Take your pathetic whiny excuses and shove it.

ROFL! Nice try, Gilbert. If you seriously believe that, you wouldn’t know the Constitution if it bit you in the arse. Show us exactly where it says anything close to that. We and all the crickets eagerly await your reply.

@Gilbert R Albright Jr
The US Constitution does not guarantee anyone freedom from religion. It guarantees that your religion will never trump mine through law. So sorry to burst your bubble, but the religion of atheism is violating that right everyday.

When the day comes, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE MARK?

and which of your rights have been taken away? The right to be a bigoted idiotic religion (like all major religions)? If i had it my way, any church or religious establishment that sponsors or supports anti gay legislation should have their tax exempt status TAKEN AWAY and labeled as a hate group.

Gilbert mostly has it right. It’s so weird to hear Christians say they’re being discriminated against or having their freedom diminished when that’s exactly what they impose on people who don’t share their religious beliefs. And since when does freedom of religion not apply to those with no faith?? Freedom of religion is only for those who agree with you? Those who believe that don’t know a damn thing about the Constitution or freedom

I am so happy that homos can now marry so that their assets can be divided when they divorce just like normal people have to deal with.

“Christian religous rights” means using your book of fairy tales to punish and discriminate against people who don’t share your cult beliefs. Please keep your religion in your tax-free churches and keep your nose out of secular politics. Jesus would weep over people like you. I’d say you should be ashamed, but shame is beyond people like you. Your hate is eating your soul.

I think you would be hard pressed to find decent evidence to support your extreme claim that you are discriminated against by religion here in America. The real issue is that religion offends you because those morals don’t agree with your morals. I also wonder how you attained the qualifications to comment on the emotions of Jesus himself. If you have read the Bible cover to cover (which I doubt) I would still wonder how you would presume to know what Jesus himself is thinking. I would argue that you hate religion because it offends you. Why don’t you just be strong enough in your own beliefs that you don’t have to be offended?

Italo…stupid post! I live in Round Rock Texas and even Texans haven’t and wouldn’t go this far. You obviously know nothing about Texas or Texans. I believe this bill is as idiotic as they come. By the way I’m Conservative and a Christian. And this is just stupid.

Texas isn’t adjacent to a state that has gender bender “nuptials” and doesn’t have B&Bs flooded with reservations requests for the honeymoon suite.

@Gilbert R Albright Jr …Actually you could use some religion AND a crowbar to pull your cheeks apart.

The South had the right to say no to African American couples and inter-racial couples too… Doesn’t make it right. How would this bill not allow someone to refuse to serve a Christian couple, or an inter-racial couple or any identifiable couple that the owner didn’t like… that is a good Christian value, be a biggot… guess we were raised in different Churches

@Gilbert R Albright Jr

Gilbert, when have you or your kids ever had Christianity, Mormonism, or Islam shoved down your throat from any type of public organization. I doubt that it has happened, yet Christians, Mormons and Muslims have to fight against the public system to not have morals, like homesexuality is right shoved down our throats. If it has not been shoved down your throat by the U.S. Government or Public Education System, (don’t even need to mention television or the internet) then the real problem is religion just offends you. Just be man up and be honest about how you feel instead of hiding behind demonizing those different than your

Gays should be put on a remote island and so shouldnt the religous as well as there both wrong ..

We are living in some amazing times.
At first glance its good that business owners have the right to make choices, but then again this goes a little far. I agree with disruptive customers you want to turn away but it just leaves room for abuse in some instances.
Really got to wonder with all theses laws, and everything.

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@matt
If I had my way, all the cowards who try to get their way by indoctrinating kids behind their parents into morals their parents don’t agree with would have to answer to kids parents. I’m sure you would agree if religion was being forced. When does Christianity do this to LGBT kids? How is that any less hateful or despicable? Because you think it’s right and I don’t? Personally I don’t agree with any of it being taught in school but I bet you would beg to differ. Hypocrisy is okay for you as long as you are the one that wins right? SO honestly, when have you ever had religion pushed down your throat in a public forum? If not then the only one who has responsiblity for you being offended is yourself.

@Jon…You’re mixung apples and oranges. Like all gay activists you are trying to equate morals with race, gender, religious beliefs, etc. Certainly there may be a few who will use this law to discriminate against interracial couples, Christians, etc. By the way, it happens every day. But, the push for gay marriage is not the same as the push for civil rights. Skin color is not a moral issue. Don’t throw sodomy in the pot with skin color, gender, and religious beliefs. Call homosexuality what you will…even make it legal…but the truth of the matter is that it is still sin…and all unrepentant sinners will find themselves in hell…guaranteed. It would be better to try to rescue others from their own wickedness. It’s what we all need.

@Judith
Don’t you think a better idea would be for everyone to be respectful of each other? Sending everyone away that you don’t agree seems immature and would not be becoming of ones character.

“Gilbert R Albright Jr

The only thing you Christians have been denied is the right o shove your Religion and your Religious beliefs down the throats of all other Americans.

The U.S. Constitution gives all American the right to be FREE FROM RELIGION and the Christian Al Quaida like you!”

You must be confused with the constitution of another nation. If you are refering to the 1st amendment, which i assume you are, it would do you good to actaully know what it says. ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…’ where does it say America is free FROM religion. All this text is saying is the federal government shall make no law that favors one religion over another. The term ‘seperation of church and state’ didnt even appear until an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association.

Anyways, this is more of a free speech issue anyway. As a business owner you should have the right to serve or not serve anyone you want. If you don’t like it, then voice your feeling with your wallet by not shopping there.

You say ‘us’ Christians (iI happen to be Roman Catholic) just want to shove our religion down your throat. Well like it or not, the constitution protects my rights too so you’ll just need to learn to deal with it.

The same people who wrote the US. Constitution came from states where homosexuality was punishable by death. They didn’t call it homosexuality in those days, the term having apparently been coined in the 19th century. They called it “sodomy,” “buggery” and “unmentionable filth,” but you get the idea. Of course we get the idea. Jefferson, though, was a softy, and he wrote some Virginia legislation lessening the punishment. He thought castration was a more humane response, more fitting to the crime. In any case the people who wrote the Constitution didn’t seem to see any conflict between that document and “gay” rights because it is “self-evident” to the sane that there is no such thing as a “gay” right. They didn’t call those days “The Enlightenment” for nothing.

@Gilbert. You’re an idiot if you think the constitution guarantees freedom FROM religion. It guarantees freedom OF religion. Pretty much exactly the opposite of what you think. It also prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. That being said, I doubt this bill will pass constitutional muster. It’s no different than segregation laws. You can’t discriminate based on color, sex or sexual orientation. If you operate a public business then the public must be welcome.

Steve and Radar you guys are correct, I’m so happy that nthere is still normal people out there, that understand what these people are doing is shoving there perverted morals down our throat, how are they doing it? thru the public schools and their current president obama.

businesses has always had the right to post a sign that says “WE reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”

No business should be forced to serve any customer for any reason. We should be legally free from criminal and civil charges to do as we please, so long as we do not directly physically/mentally/financially harm another. Yes, you read that right. We should be able to discriminate against whites, blacks, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, gays, straights, the young, the elderly, Republicans, Democrats, Americans, foreigners, and anybody else. Who is the Government to tell us? Notice how I said “directly harms”. Obviously, punching a Jewish/gay/black/etc man in the face should always be illegal. But refusing to serve food at a restaurant in the US, where there are MANY other restaurants (and thus the person won’t starve), is not directly harming anyone.

This sounds harsh, but let’s say this was legal. And let’s say Wal-Mart decides to stop serving minorities. Their sales would drop because it’s ridiculous. I wouldn’t shop there, and millions of Americans would feel the same. That’s how this mixed capitalist system is supposed to work. Businesses should have a right to deny service to ANYONE for any reason. Just like consumers have a right to patronize whichever business they choose.

It’s legal now to not go to Disneyland because I don’t like them, right? Let’s say I think the whole park is too full of foreigners. Aren’t I discriminating? But it’s LEGAL, right? The reverse should be true for Businesses. And once the society realizes that the friendly little coffee shop down the street doesn’t serve blacks, or gays, or Jews, the amount of customers will drop substantially. Sure, they still might have their neo-nazi customers here and there, and that’s fine. But they will sink soon do to Market pressures.

Get it? It should be the “invisible hand” of the Market that directs where resources go and who profits from them. This is not the Government’s job.

You can argue with me, but you can’t argue with proven Economics. Well, you can try… Go ahead. (PS: my favorites are when you insult my intellect, and spell the insult incorrectly..)

@TxGrown: Newsflash, if you support homosexuality, you are not a Christian. If you believe the government has the right to force a business to service individuals against the business owner’s will, you are not a conservative. With your statement taken in full, your claim to be either carries the same weight at Obama’s.

@Ernst Halford, SerfCityHereWeCome, ca1305e, Matt Clemens, et. al. What in the world are you talking about? Do you all think that you are experts on the U.S. constitution? Of course everyone knows how it reads, as quoted by ca1305e. But you all seem to lack analytical skills, or are either blinded by faith to admit the truth. Gilbert R Albright Jr hit the nail right on the head. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion is a false dichotomy. They are indeed both one and the same. There are many religions that exist in the world and luckily our Constitution guarantees that we may freely practice the one of our choice. So, by choosing one religion over another, you have already chosen to be free from the latter. In other words, if I choose to be Protestant, then that necessarily means I am free from being Catholic, Mormon, Islamist, Hindu, Wiccan, etc, etc. So freedom from religion is guaranteed by the same 1st Amendment. Our Founding Fathers never said we all had to have and practice some type of religion, albeit freely chosen. They just said the government will not interfere with your practice of it and also that the government would not establish a state religion, as was the case in England. There is a clear separation of church and state, although most fundamentalists today try to blur that notion over by saying we are a Christian nation. Sure, I agree we have our origins in Christianity, since the people who colonized the Americas came from Christian countries over 400 years ago. But when we decided to break away from England and become our own Country, we established a charter Constitution which is the Supreme Law of the Land. So those of you who would like to start misinterpreting the 1st amendment, or talk about what you think it means, be very careful that the rest of the Constitution doesn’t start to follow that path as well.

Perry created 276,000 minimum wage jobs in Texas..that does`nt help the country as a whole…someone needs to tell the truth about that. I also lived in Texas for 10 years and it is obssessed with shoving the bible down everyones throat as well as one of the most racist States I have ever lived in

true. every word.

While bad grammar, incoherent ranting, and lack of comprehension about Constitutional rights is curable… we hope.

Gayness is a sickness and perversion to mankind? Please, preach more from your book of hate. I’m sure your god will be more than happy to forgive your life of eating shellfish and wearing clothing of different fabrics, and allowing women into positions of authority in power. But of all of these, he would never consider forgiving the homos.

You ignorant christians parade around here without an iota of sensible critical thinking ability. You choose which parts of the bible to follow and hypocritically disregard all of those that don’t suit you. You pray for blessings of wealth and prosperity while defenseless children starve halfway around the world, but so long as you have your 52″ plasma to watch dem cowboys play Sunday, none of the rest is important. You’re a despicable disgrace to morality. The rest of us don’t need a farce of a book telling us what is right.

I live in TX and it has far less freedom than quite a few other states. You cant open carry here, there is virtually no such thing as consumer rights or protection so big businesses can rack up any kinds of charges they want for any reason they want and you cant even buy alcohol at various hours. How are those, or any of the other prudish crap laws you have here freedom?

@Truth

I find it funny that you talk about lack of critical thinking when you misquote and misrepresent a book which you have probably never read. I imagine your comments have come from bigoted web sites and google searches. You know, critical thinking means honestly analyzing the opposing views positions, something I doubt you have done due to your lack of an intelligent argument. Spewing venom and your own personal beliefs does not equal critical thinking. If you understood the Bible and the nature of sin as it is reprsented in the Bible, you would not presented your argument as you did. You would also know where in the new testament, something that were considered forbidden before were no longer forbidden. You would also understand the historical context and the reason for some of those laws you are implying as dumb.

This is a reply to “Truth’s” comment saying that being gay is not a sickness. Perhaps. But being a gay man will kill you.

The U.S. government’s Center for Disease Control (CDC) reports that in 2006 gay & bisexual men, less than a mere 2% of the U.S. population (euphemistically called “MSM” or men-who-have-sex-with-men), were getting a majority, 57%, of new AIDs cases in the US, and 64% of the new syphilis cases. So a minority of new AIDs cases (43%) were spread thinly over a whopping 96+% of the remaining heterosexual U.S. population. Thus, according to the CDC, in 2007 gay & bisexual men were “44 times to 86 times” [sic] more likely than heterosexual men to contract AIDs, STDs, and other pathogens. Don’t believe it? Go to the CDC web site and read it. The increased odds for getting these diseases from homosexuality is astounding. The wildly promiscuous nature of male homosexuality and the dangers of gay sex is supported by scientific evidence. So called “gay-marriage” and “gay-adoption” would encourage homosexuality. Why would any sane society want that? For their sons?

wow. that’s not even a sentence; and if so, possibly the longest one I have ever seen! you people are ignorant!

OK @ Truth now go read your mathew again and pause a bit longer chapter 6 verse 5 and when your done ask me ware another 100 are like that one and then describe to us your description of sin. The queer community can only alevieate some of there guilt by changing the laws the same way you aleviate your by sitting in a pew this next Sunday.

@Judith
I think your trying to respond to me, not Truth. Anyway I find your response incoherent but I will try to answer. Matthew 6:5 states “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.” referring to religious leaders of the day that would make a show praying in order to gain political power (not a lots changed unfortunately). The verse doesn’t say that’s a sin, only that God is not listening to their prayer because their intentions are wrong. Christians, are not required n the bible to hide their religion. In fact Mark 16:15 states “He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.”"

Agreed

“HERD” NOT “HER”……..

I’m a Massachusetts resident and you have just hit the nail on the head, liberalism abounds in this Marxist State aand most of its people haven’t a clue. PS our politicians are all corrupt and anti-Constitution.

Forgive my being off topic, but you are too. The Salem witch trials were allowed by a sudden loss of Christian influence which had previously protected citizens from flippant charges. Specifically, “spectral evidence” was not previously allowed in court since it violated that Biblical principal that two unimpeachable witnesses were needed to accuse someone. That actually protected witches in the Commonwealth of Mass. The 4+ months of the trials occured when the mob shoved judeochristian tradition aside to “have it their way.” The witch trials were caused by pushing the Bible aside, and as usual, it didn’t work out like the mob had hoped. (See Prof Marvin Olasky article at http://www.worldmag.com/articles/551)

This bill is probably a backlash to what is going on in Massachusetts. The article says that the bill involves refusal to COUPLES, not individuals, not groups, but COUPLES. So it only involves those businesses that would have couples as customers, not just two random people.

Probably the impetus for this bill is the rash of same gender couples from Massachusetts that want to run off to New Hampshire, with all its scenery and go to some Bed and Breakfast and rent out the honeymoon suite. This allows the owner to refuse to rent it out to them. Or a marriage counselor that refuses to take on a same gender couple as clients.

This would not apply to say a gas company that would refuse to hook up gas service to a house because there is a same gender couple, because they could just be two individual roommates or co-workers sharing living expenses – UNLESS they tried to make it obvious that they were trying to live as a couple.

It’s funny how NEOCON HYPOCRITE jerks like are all for discrimination as long as it is applied to others, but are outraged, scream and throw a fit when it is applied you.

How you like it if your Grocery Store didn’t allow your kind, your Pharmacy didn’t serve your kind, hotels didn’t allow your kind, colleges didn’t allow your kind, doctors wouldn’t treat your kind, department stores didn’t allow your kind,
Taxi Cabs wouldn’t pick up your kind, Casinos didn’t allow your kind, movie theaters didn’t allow your kind and on an on.

Sickos like you are always fine with this as long as it doesn’t affect YOUR LIFE!

Give me a break. This country isn’t as backwards as you’re trying to make it out to be. If there were all those entities that wouldn’t accept your money there would be others that will. Money talks and B.S. walks.

So the restaurant owner could make it ‘whites only’ or ‘no jews’. That would be ok with you. I hope you don’t have children.

I’d be ok with “No Democrats!”

Any restaurant that tried no whites….or no jews…..would be driven out of business. That’s whats great about freedom. Works every time

Not since the 1964 Civil Rights Act you haven’t. Did you complain about that at the time? I think it’s only when gays are the customers that you get up on your high horses about freedom.

@Gilbert

If someone didn’t want me in their club, restaruant, cab, etc., then I don’t care to be in it. I don’t get mad about women’s universities or black fraternities which legally discriminate against white males like me. I, unlike you, am not a sissy that whines like a 5 yr old when things don’t go my way. If a store owner has a “whites only’ sign, capitalism will likely resolve that problem since most whites nowadays, like myself, wouldn’t care to patronize those places that discriminate. They’d likely be out of business in no time due to their bigotry. This goes back to letting the market rule instead of the gov’t morons that you’d prefer to rule. Not every white male who agrees with letting businesses do as they please is a neocon hypocrite, we just want the gov’t out of our daily lives.

This is a reply to Gilbert Albright’s reply. There are already laws on the books that force pharmacists to provide abortifacents even though they may be pro-life. The typical Gilbert Albright (and government) response to the pro-life pharmacist is “well, you don’t have to be a pharmacist”. Same thing here, if you don’t subscribe to the government approved belief system (liberal secular humanism), you are out of luck and your choice is to abandon your belief system or drop out.

Honestly I don’t care if a store owner doesn’t want my money. Good. I’d rather know up front. If they stop enough of it, they won’t be a business anymore. But…keep the frickin government out of it.

Gilbert you are babbling. Freedom of association is a fundamental, natural human right protected by the Constitution. You DIDN’T know that? Seriously?

How can an atheist BELIEVE there ins’t a God but I can’t BELIEVE there is? Why do they care!

Unalienable rights endowed by the Creator. How can an atheist make any pronouncement about human rights, when they don’t believe in a Creator?

The Constitution protects your free EXERCISE of religion – not expression. I’m not sure what you mean by the “right to stop your expression of your beliefs.” Do you mean shout louder? Or punch me in the mouth? Or print a pamphlet expressing a different point of view?

No Constitutional right is absolute. Not religion, not speech, not privacy.

That’s the problem. Atheists get their morality from watching PBS and morns like Keith Olbermann. The questions you’ve asked have not been addressed by the liberal media, so they don’t what they’d do.

1. No. If he’s there’s doing business and not harassing, intimidated or causing a disturbance.

2. If they’re that much of a threat they shouldn’t be free to begin with.

3. Shouldn’t matter what the buyer is going to do with it if the price is right.

The attempts people are using to rationalize blatant discrimination is just sad. If you don’t see how this opens a door to so many types of discriminatory business practices…I don’t know how to reach your humanity.

“Discrimination” isn’t bad, despite the negative connotations. Prejudice is bad. Racism is bad. Bad the free market actually corrects for those. Only wanna-be-tyrants don’t think the free market can handle things just fine itself in most circumstances. Government should only be there to make sure businesses aren’t literally stealing or committing violence against one another, etc.

John Q. Your answer are NOT based on our rights under the Constitution. So what ARE you babbling on about?

Smitty, you must be a liberal. Whenever a liberal is cornered by facts or logic, they resort to petty, childish, nit-picking about spelling or grammar on the blogs.

She was -quoting- someone, thus the quote stays as spoken (unlike Obama).

In fact, private businesses “reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”.

It’s obnoxious liberals and militant gays who force their lifestyle on others.

No, she says they’re a hate monger. The difference being that a hater can silently seethe in his own hate, but a hate monger evangelizes his hate.

Fortunately for me, God disagrees with Rose, and I’m happy with that.

in real terms, little barry is 50 percent white, 25 percent black and 25 percent arab. Due to his family tree, probably more arab blood than black—-Now I will be called a racist for posting facts.

I would never eat in a gay owned restaurant anyway, who knows what they put in that special sauce!!!!! EWWWWW

A good quote, but “property must be sacred” probably didn’t mean what most people think it means. It probably means what Hillaire Belloc meant: well-distributed property.

In the U.S. we include the wrong kinds of property protections, such as the right of giant remote corporations to own everything and savagely run small businesses into the ground; and we exclude the protections we actually need per John Adams, such as the right of a small business owner to use his property as he pleases. Even if that use offends us.

“well-distributed property”
Asinine. It’s obvious you know nothing of the Founders or their philosophies.

So you’re telling me that being BLACK is somehow the same thing as being GAY? Excuse me, but my ancestors didn’t CHOOSE to take the “cruise” to the US, and I don’t remember any GAYS being in chains, or whipped, or sold as livestock! DO NOT COMPARE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH PEOPLE OF THE SAME GENDER TO BEING BLACK! IT IS NOT ON THE SAME PLANET OF REALITY!

You can hide homosexuality! Its very difficulty to hide ethnicity when you’re black.

What the he!! is an Oriental?

Oriental?? You f**kin’ rascist little troll! LOL! I love when liberals fall in their own traps.

Thank you!! Let people run their businesses as they please, because if their policies and practices are immoral and awful, nobody will spend their money there!!
Besides, gay men buy 87.32% of all flowers (I think that was a statistic from a Gallup Poll).

By the way, the same needs to go for big businesses and banks. We people need to be more informed about what these 1%’s do with our money so we can realized all the immoral and tactless policies they enforce on our dime. Invest your money in a local bank instead of Chase!!

Whether or not it’s a good financial decision is irrelevant but it is not necessarily a horrid financial decision. I would not eat in a restaurant convicted sex offenders regularly hangout in. Throwing their sorry asses out would likely be a boon to business.

Regardless, it’s not about hating anyone. It’s giving people the freedom to do business with who they choose.

KY is horrid for gay sex. That said, why not just pass a general right to refuse service bill (if one does not exist at this moment)?

A general right to refuse service bill would violate the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act basically says you can’t refuse service because of race, creed, color, or national orgin (something like that I’m to tired to look it up now).

The Civil Rights Act in that regard should probably be changed. The part where govt can’t discriminate is great.

Bottom line, businesses should be allowed to discriminate, as well as individuals. If a person or a business is a bigot, I’m not going to talk or spend money there.

Um, you mean this is a Republican that wants to use big government legislation to HURT small businesses by allowing them to discriminate against potential customers? Yea, that make a lot of sense and is truly American, LOL.

Honestly, when Independents like myself read articles like this we cannot help but to laugh and shake our heads at how ignorant and hypocritical most conservatives and some liberals really are.

How long can a business large or small survive if they keep turning away business? If they can survive, so be it. It’s their ignorance, life, business and money.

You’re not an Independent when you make a statement like MOST conservatives are this way and SOME liberals are that. You more interested in Liberal ways, just call a spade a spade.

@Mark Santeramo
State gov’t is not BIG gov’t. Learn the difference!
And by your remarks, you certainly sound like a BIG liberal to me.

@mark Santeramo, as usual your comment doesn’t make sense. Not surprising since you are a liberal. How does legislation that allows a small business to conduct business as they please HURT them? If the bill ALLOWS them to discriminate, and does not force them to discriminate, and they choose not to discriminate anyway, how does it hurt them??

This is a business protection bill. This allows a banquet hall that is used for wedding receptions to refuse to host a wedding reception for a same gender wedding if they feel that it would offend their regular clientele, without fear of being sued by the gender benders, It allows a bed and breakfast owner from refusing to rent out the honeymoon suite to a newley”wed” couple from Boston with repercussions. This allows a marriage counselor to reject a same gender couple as clients, because his methods and techniques simply don’t apply to such ridiculous lifestyles.

Always with the cramming down the throat with you conservatives. Always with the throat imagery. Methinks you doth protest too much.. ;-)

Just like you liberals and your Tea Bagger. Always with the mouth imagery. Methinks you doth protest too much… ;-)

BUT,…being of a certain race is not a choice. Being homosexual IS.. THAT’S the difference.

The “comparison” you’re talking about is nothing new. And there’s nothing WRONG with it.

John Stossel on the right to discriminate

So are Hate Crime Laws. Double Leopardy for the White, Straight Man and no one else!

I would say the Civil Rights Act is definitely unconstitutional in the situation where it forces businesses not to discriminate based on race. The parts of the Civil Rights Act about gov’t not being allowed to discriminate are great. Frankly the law shouldn’t have to stop gov’t from discriminating it should be automatic under the constitution and the 14th amendment.

Businesses are private, and private individuals run them. Private individuals and businesses should be allowed to choose whom they associate with.

Some businesses would discriminate, but part of freedom is allowing people to do things that I would consider immoral as long as it doesn’t violate their person, property, or liberty.

I certainly would. I would simply take my business elsewhere and encourage friends to do the same. The business would exercise its freedom, and I would exercise mine.

““When the government starts getting involved, it turns around and brings in a whole new light. ” The problem currently is that the government is involved in businesses by dictating to them what they can’t and can do.

If you own a business, you own it, and you have the right to run it how you see fit for any reason. IF one wants to be a racist interolerant bigot and discriminate, its their choice. This is called Civil liberty, and just because we or someone else doesn’t like it doesn’t negate the rights of that business.

What does Romans 1 say?

Can you say for a fact, without a doubt that in every single instance that people are born to be gay? In reality is probably a complex combination of genetics, environment and choices with a variety of mixes in each case. Ranging from totally genetics to totally choice.

Yes, and He also made seriel killers.

So you were born with that Cher makeup on your face?

Freedom is a precious thing…amazing how quick we are to give it up. Everyone is sadly confusing the constitutional rights granted to a free person and what morals say we should do with those rights. Don’t do that. It is indeed a slippery slope…and we are unfortunately headed in the wrong direction. Discrimination is not a bad thing…like it or not, it is something each and every one of us do every day. From what we wear, what car we drive, what brand we identify with…and yes, who we associate with…it is human nature.

All of you balking at this bill are on the side of wanting to have your cake and eat it too…but you can’t have it both ways…someone will always be discriminated against when rules are put into place to protect one group from another. All it suceeds in doing is restricting the natural order of all humans and pit group against group. It also serves to create an ever endless supply of special interests that want their way just like the last special interest. It’s extremely hipocritical and serves no purpose….so again…don’t do it.

The only answer is to agree that you can’t legislate people to like eachother or get along. On a completely constitutional basis, the civil rights act is a violation or our right to discriminate…now let me make it clear, morality in the individual will decide when and where that discrimination occurs…and society in any given era will determine what is socially acceptable, We all have our lines in the sand based on our individual values and they are all completely arbitrary. Who am I to tell you where your line should be, and who are you to tell me…so how about we all just back off, and agree that ALL anti-discrimination laws (civil rights act and others) are inherently discriminatory. Get rid of them…and grow up/grow a pair if you don’t like how you are being treated. Let your feet and wallet do the talking.

And to all the people asking about when and in what situation it would be okay to discriminate…the answer is yes…to all of them. Is it moral, or nice, or a smart business practice?…probably not, not really, and hell no…but I stand by my position that you have every right in this country to be as bigoted and as hateful of an individual as you wish to be. I accept what I feel are poor choices on your part in order to have and enjoy the liberties we all share. So I implore you to please stop asking for our fundamental rights to be taken away when so many before us have worked so hard to make those rights available.

It is indeed a slippery slope…

Under our Constitution, it’s ALWAYS okay to discriminate. It’s called freedom of association. And for most of American history, the government didn’t trump this right.

Oh…well put Rusto…well put indeed!!! Good read and thank you!

Substitute the word BLACK for Nazi, then answer your own question.

@KPC

BLACK is not a choice….

@KPC Getting tired of gays comparing themselves to blacks.

Hiney humping IS a choice.

Why do you speak about Jesus in past tense?

then its considered murder, By not helping those that are sick, Is the same as casting them out to die. discrimination . People that are unable to afford health care should simply be throw away folks, Just like those in our nursing homes. When someone you love or know is unable to afford health care and needs care You tell them to go home to die and then .just walk away. Discrimination either way you slice it. ‘

emom – A car dealership can turn me away if I can’t afford a Corvette. A bank can turn me away if I can’t afford a $1,000,000 mortgage.

Are my rights being violated?

It IS discrimination – and discrimination is ok.

The thing that people need to grasp is that we have the right to discriminate, based on any criteria whatsoever. Any law that forbids us to do so is unconstitutional – period.

I have the right not to serve blacks in my restaurant, or to employ jews. Period. It is not the government’s place to effect social change via the violation of property rights.

emom – “then its considered murder, By not helping those that are sick, Is the same as casting them out to die. discrimination ”

So if someone is trained in the medical field, every sick/injured person they may encounter is entitled to their time and resources? Wow. Sounds like you’ve just created a slave. If I’m hungry, can I demand that anybody involved in agriculture or the food service industry stop whatever they’re doing and immediately feed me? How about if my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere and it’s really cold outside? Can I enslave a mechanic for 4 hours to repair my car? If he doesn’t can I have him arrested for murder?

Bingo. If you don’t discrimiate then you are indiscriminate, right? That would be synonomous with being an idiot! Conservatives are regularly criticized because we make decisions based on standards, you know, those things that don’t change just because they force us to make difficult decisions and come under criticism? I do not care what you believe or how you act privately. But as a conservative libertarian, I do care how you actions affect others. Be gay, smoke pot, etc., but you should have to bear the consequences of your actions and decisions. Our biggest problem as a nation is that we bail people out from their personal responsibility. Stop that and you fix a multitude of problems.

Aslo referred to as discernment. And YES, we ARE called to be discerning and excercise good judgement.

Read the article. It is not about discrimination against a person, it is discrimination against a COUPLE, that Requires two people. And two people that somehow claim to be in a relationship. This is not two co-workers eating lunch together while discussing a project, this is not about one individual giving his neighbor a ride to the grocery store and they shop together. This is about couples. Therefore it only applies to businesses that service couples, and if they are uncomfortable with the idea of same gender couples, if they do not feel that a same gender couple qualifies as a couple=, then that is their right.

discrimination and bigotry lives on ,, what a shame and the cycle never ends.
That means no one has the right to have an opinion, but merely be judged for having an opinion. Yup a sad entitled world we live in.

Sam,

You get to choose not to serve blacks or Jews? Are you really that archaic in your thinking?

Yup. In those days everyone in Georgia was a Democrat. They still hadn’t gotten over that Abraham Lincoln thing. (Something about the federal government forcing businessmen to give up their God-given right to own slaves.). Richard Nixon later convinced the segregationists that they would be more at home the Republican party.

Should a black store owner be required to serve the grand wizard of the KKK?

Should a toy store owner be required to tolerate a known pedophile on his property?

The freedom to associate is also the freedom to NOT associate. Slavery was wrong because it VIOLATED a person’s freedom. Forced association is wrong because it violates a persons freedom.

Progressives are sick and have a twisted notion of right and wrong. Reciprocal values need not apply as long as we subscribe to whatever is the moral political correctness of the day. In the case of a government or GSE, absolutely you cannot discriminate. But let the private Catholic school deny service to that atheist. Let the Mormons deny entrance to their temples to the non-Mormons. Let the black store owner hang a sign that says ‘KKK members are unwelcome’ and let the guy selling his 1948 Tucker refuse to sell it to the demolition derby man.

You said Jim Crow LAWS, That is different than giving business owners A CHOICE if they will not serve someone.
There were no Jim Crow Laws until after Reconstruction. They did not exist prior to the War. And don’t say that is because all the blacks were slaves, because 20% of the antebellum population of New Orleans were Free People of Color, of which about 3000 owns slaves themselves.
Jim Crow Laws came as a backlash to the oppressive treatment of the South by the Northern Liberals that treated the South like a region of Second class citizens and dictating from afar what they can and cannot do.. And they are still doing it .

No Evan, I am just sick and tired of going out and hearing them hooting and hollering constantly. If this law means that I can have a quiet evening out without them acting like a bunch of apes then I’m all for it.

If that’s your only argument Evan, then I have already won this discussion. Apparently you lack the brain capacity to formulate anything more than a three word response/insult. Perhaps you should read your insults and direct them at yourself since you’re proving to be nothing but a hypocrite.

I have to go with john here,,,just after they start to get loud one or two will begin slapping hands and dancing,,then its soon a full scale flash chimpout.

@John

In an above comment you compared black people to APES.

You have won no discussion here unless you were trying to prove your allegiance to the KKK.

Then you are blind Evan, walk through any public area. You’ll see blacks on their phones yelling as loud as possible in to the speaker, they’ll talk loudly in theaters and restaurants, I even had to shut a laptop on one at school because she was Skyping while other students were studying. You are blind and ignorant.

I have to go with john here,,,just after they start to get louder several will begin clapping hands , dancing,,then its soon a full scale chimpout.